nV '6'-series only 1 chip strong?

[XanderF]

Curious. Is nVidia putting out a 'budget' card this generation? If the 6800non-Ultra still goes for a few hundred dollars....

Is nVidia missing a market segment?

Or, is there another chip in this generation that hasn't been announced yet?

Or, perhaps, an 8-pipe version of the core (6800XT?) - exactly as ATI is doing.

Thoughts?

[nVidi0t]

I'm sure they will. Sales must still e pretty strong in the budget FX line though, so maybe it's not essential ATM.

I'm looking forward to the Quadro series based on the NV4* architecture...

[jolle]

perhaps they will release a FX6200 to pick up where FX5200 left off..
mutilated in some horrible fashion as tradition calls for it..

then its likly there will be a midsegment card between 6800 NU and
what ever lowend card the put out..
Altho i think looking at the entire FX5 line that it is in totall to much..
even tho most of it were, followups based on the refresh..

[nutball]

Or, perhaps, an 8-pipe version of the core (6800XT?) - exactly as ATI is doing.

8-pipe, and 4-pipe too I'll place money on that.

IIRC the NVIDIA CEO said there would be up to 5 different products in the GF6 range (which I took to mean as 5 different versions of the core, rather than simple core/memory clockspeed variants).

[bkswaney]

The 16 pipe is the Ultra.
The 12 pipe is the non-ultra.
The XT will be a 12 pipe also with slower memory.

Now this is where is going to get sweet.
It seems even the lower end is going to get 8
pipes. But will most likly use 128bit memory.
But we sould see a nice performance boost on the low end. :)

[Nv40]

just imagine the possibilities

16x1 card -> $499

12 x1 card ->$299

8x1 card ->$199 , $159

4x1 card ->$99 ,$79


propably all of them with Sm3.0... diferent clocks core/memory ,
the 8x1 cards should be very competitive in raw power and PS2.0 performance with Radeon9800xt . for just $199 the xt9800 with SM3.0 +video procesor sound exciting isnt it? :)
and for $99 an R300 + SM3.0 +video processor? :)
$79 for a radeon9600xt with SM3.0 too ,video processor.

Nvidia have a solid graphic core ,to give a good run for it money ATi ,the highend cards are for braggin rights ,but the real war is where the money is, have read that NVda plans are to release 5 diferent models of Nv4x..

[bkswaney]

just imagine the possibilities

16x1 card -> $499

12 x1 card ->$299

8x1 card ->$199 , $159

4x1 card ->$99 ,$79


propably all of them with Sm3.0... diferent clocks core/memory ,
the 8x1 cards should be very competitive in raw power and PS2.0 performance with Radeon9800xt . for just $199 the xt9800 with SM3.0 +video procesor sound exciting isnt it? :)
and for $99 an R300 + SM3.0 +video processor? :)
$79 for a radeon9600xt with SM3.0 too ,video processor.

Nvidia have a solid graphic core ,to give a good run for it money ATi ,the highend cards are for braggin rights ,but the real war is where the money is, have read that NVda plans are to release 5 diferent models of Nv4x..


I know it's great.
The power of a Ti4600 in a 80 dollar card. :D

[Nv40]

I know it's great.
The power of a Ti4600 in a 80 dollar card. :D

indeed.. :)

its very important for people to notice that no matter who is faster,at the top , the company who release the best price/performance/features ratio ,wins. just notice how Nvidia managed to defeat ATI in the low end up to the medium end market.

cards like Fx5200/Fx5700/Fx5900xt helped greatly Nvidia ,where it matters ,where the money is. if they earned a lot of money in 2 year with Nv3x core.. just imagine now the possibilities with the NV4x hardware.. :) however it all depends of the price/performance ratio of ATi with their R42x lineup, but it seems to me..that Nvidia will have an easier ROund this time in marketing thanks to SM3.0. :)

[MUYA]

nv's ceo said in a conference call that they will aproach the market with (I think) 5 different versiosn of the nv40. so expect every incarnation of the nv40 which maybe not be limited to the AIB partners imagination will hit the/flood the amrket as soon as they can get rid of their nv3X inventories.

[Dazz]

I think we will only see the 6800 & 6800Ultra for the first 6 months, they will sell off all their GF FX cards in stock then with the NV45 we will see mainstream and budget cards this has allways happened sicne the days of the Rivia TNT

[stncttr908]

It wouldn't make sense for them not to introduce a new value line. Most of their graphics card revenues are from their low and mid-range product lines anyway.

[reever2]

Budget lines always come months after the top end. The 5600's took like 2-3 months to be released after the NV35 release

[XanderF]

nv30 release. nv35 was the 5900.

Still, the GeForceFX budget/mid-range/high-end lineup were 3 different cores entirely. The 'GeForce 6' line, by all accounts, is the same core worked a number of different ways. It has more in common with the GF2, 3 or 4 days than GeForceFX.

[Dazz]

Yeah well the GF3 was out 6 months bfore it's refresh aka Ti200 & Ti500, as was the GF256 with the GF2 MX.

[goofjb]

Place you bets folks, what the wheel stops nobody knows. :) At least we can look forward to a better perfomance boost than the 5200 gave when it came out.

[nutball]

The 'GeForce 6' line, by all accounts, is the same core worked a number of different ways.

What do you mean by the same core?

It makes no sense to have the same core across the whole market. Sure, 6800 and 6800 non-Ultra may indeed be the same core, with the former being those where only 3 out of the 4 quad-pipelines work, for but the true low-end it makes no sense economically to fabraicate 222 million transistor chips and ship them with 75% of the transistors disabled. Surely, surely, surely?

The overall *design* will scale up and down quite nicely I'd imagine, just removing pipelines in groups of 4. So the pipelines in the low-end stuff could be the same pipelines, just fewer of them.

Whether we ever see a genuine 12-pipe design, as against the rumoured rescued part-broken 16-pipers, who knows. But for the 4- and 8-pipe stuff I can't see how it makes sense, simply from a number-of-dies-per-wafer standpoint.

[Dazz]

It's part of the chip the 6800 has no pipelines diasbled it was the way NV created it. They can pick howmany pipelines they want to use so there will be no waste at all )

NV40 core + other part of NV40 16 pipelines, and NV40 core + NV40 4 pipelines. they can pick what they want it also means the die will shrink making it cheaper for lower end card AND saves money on R&D :) A very smart i must say.

[theultimo]

I was thinking: Geforce 6 MX , with 9.0 cut, only 8.0 w/ 8x1 ...

CONTINUE THE TRADITION OF LOBOTAMY CARDS! :retard:

[Geforce4ti4200]

they dont disable pipes? what if some are bad? nvidia loses the entire core instead of making it the 12 pipe nu?