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Jarred
04-21-04, 03:05 PM
It seems that people have been downplaying the advantages of Ps.3.0, so, heres some pics of Farcry that I found on a different forum and there differences.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techdisplayadapters&Number=3702351&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=all&vc=1

Does anyone have pics of ps.2.0 and ps3.0 side by side?

LordPainII
04-21-04, 03:07 PM
read the forum, those don't show much of anything. My 9600xt looks like the 3.0 shots.

Jarred
04-21-04, 03:12 PM
Really!? cause , one topic in the forum discussed the bump displacement mapping that was used, along with the soft shadows, and that those features weren't available on ps2.0

if 9600xt card looks the same, post some stills up so we can compare!

LordPainII
04-21-04, 03:17 PM
Really!? cause , one topic in the forum discussed the bump displacement mapping that was used, along with the soft shadows, and that those features weren't available on ps2.0

if 9600xt card looks the same, post some stills up so we can compare!

the water is the same and the statue looks the same. I never saw the level with the stones but everything else is the same.

Jarred
04-21-04, 03:18 PM
wow ! then I guess people must have really wasted their time writing ps3.0!

LordPainII
04-21-04, 03:21 PM
wow ! then I guess people must have really wasted their time writing ps3.0!


yeap, kind of like the difference or lack there of between ps 1.3 and 1.4. Not a big deal.

oqvist
04-21-04, 03:21 PM
Jarred those pictures have been shown in this forums several times. About PS 3.0 it won´t be until late 2005 probably games will be build around it. It´s really in the VS 3.0 the improvements lies. PS 3.0 is really only about being able to have infinite length shaders without the need for looping to put it simple.

The reason why people don´t think it´s that important is since you can do the same on PS 2.0 hardware and it´s doubtful how much it will be used for games. Take Far Cry for example. Those PS effects they show can as well be implemented on PS 2.0 hardware if the Crytek developers find it suitable. It would be for the X800:s in that case the older Radeons would take to much of a performance hit really.

That is why people are downplaying PS 3.0 and upplaying VS 3.0 ;)

Bopple
04-21-04, 03:21 PM
I am just a layman, but...I don't think displacement mapping is used in the shot.
Had it been used, the stair steps would have been looking more realistic, rather than looking dumb-box-shaped.

AthlonXP1800
04-21-04, 03:38 PM
Geee I think all the people in the forum are blinded think here no differences between PS 2.0 and 3.0, I found PS 3.0 much better and has more features than PS 2.0.

I suggest to find the exactly place where it shown at NV40 launch to compare between PS 2.0 to PS 3.0 on the same place.

You cannot compare this...

http://haloevo.sferahost.com/images/Far%20Cry%20Impressive%20Screenshots/FarCry%20ASDFF.jpg

to this...

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews//FarCry_after1_small.jpg

are completely wrong!

oqvist
04-21-04, 03:39 PM
In what shot? The second shot it surely is but perhaps it shows more in the video than in the screenshot. I sure noticed a real difference.

oqvist
04-21-04, 03:49 PM
AthlonXP1800 the thing is that the same can be done on PS 2.0 hardware. Lets wait for the X800 and the X800 patch and then compare ;)

AthlonXP1800
04-21-04, 03:56 PM
AthlonXP1800 the thing is that the same can be done on PS 2.0 hardware. Lets wait for the X800 and the X800 patch and then compare ;)

I dont think we need to wait until X800 launch review to prove it, X800 has PS 2.0 as well as current cards 5900 Ultra and 9800 XT.

Well you saying PS 3.0 shots can be done the same way as PS 2.0 so PROVE IT in the exactly same place and get a screenshot and post it now, no waiting.

If it will turn to be true so then PS 2.0 will be slower than PS 3.0.

jAkUp
04-21-04, 04:10 PM
The level shown in the screenshot from NV is not in the game, I looked for hours and could not find either of the spots shown in the SS.

Jarred
04-21-04, 04:17 PM
Thanks for clearing some of that up oqvist! I know those images have been posted here before, although I couldn't find them.

My main deal here is , are there visual differences between ps.3.0 and ps.2.0?

if so what are they? if those screenshots look exactly the same on 9700xt I want to see it!

because honestly, if the new Ati cards are a bit faster but, visually ps.3.0 looks better, I'm going to go for the slightly slower 6800 (if it is slower)

these are my concerns....

AthlonXP1800
04-21-04, 06:30 PM
Thanks for clearing some of that up oqvist! I know those images have been posted here before, although I couldn't find them.

My main deal here is , are there visual differences between ps.3.0 and ps.2.0?

if so what are they? if those screenshots look exactly the same on 9700xt I want to see it!

because honestly, if the new Ati cards are a bit faster but, visually ps.3.0 looks better, I'm going to go for the slightly slower 6800 (if it is slower)

these are my concerns....

Very simple, the difference between PS 2.0 and PS 3.0 on Far Cry, I will take X800 and 6800 for example:

6800 PS 3.0

Process fewer instructions
Faster performance
Rounded textures
128bit colour graphics

X800 PS 2.0

Process alot instructions
Slower performance
Flat textures
96bit colour graphics

Nvidia256
04-21-04, 06:31 PM
I dont think we need to wait until X800 launch review to prove it, X800 has PS 2.0

Not this again, excuse me but do you work for ATI, did you desgin the R420m if not how in gods green earth do you know for a fact that r420 lacks p 3.0 or VS 3.0???? ATI has said NOTHING (officially) about R420's specifications

AthlonXP1800
04-21-04, 08:19 PM
Not this again, excuse me but do you work for ATI, did you desgin the R420m if not how in gods green earth do you know for a fact that r420 lacks p 3.0 or VS 3.0???? ATI has said NOTHING (officially) about R420's specifications

Well it came from a top secret classified document leaked from ATI confirmed it still has PS 2.0. :)

NightFire
04-21-04, 08:21 PM
Where do people find these leaked documents? I've never even found a single one, although I don't spend that much time on the net.

jbirney
04-21-04, 08:23 PM
Very simple, the difference between PS 2.0 and PS 3.0 on Far Cry, I will take X800 and 6800 for example:

6800 PS 3.0

Process fewer instructions
Faster performance
Rounded textures
128bit colour graphics

X800 PS 2.0

Process alot instructions
Slower performance
Flat textures
96bit colour graphics


This is the same case as the GF4 vrs the 8500. The 8500 had PS1.4 vrs the GF4 PS1.3. But when we looked at the advanced shader test of 3dmark2001 the two scores were neck and neck even thought the 8500 could make use of the PS1.4 wich saved the number of passes and cut down the 8500's work load. If you listened to the video of the Farcry stuff during the NV 6800U launch they said that they can do these with using Both PS2.0 and PS3.0. I am not trying to say having PS3.0 is not a good thing. It is. But we have seen it happen in the past speed sells. Given the fact that ATI has always had more efficent shaders and that they now have a clock speed advantage, then we have no idea what the hit will be running those PS3.0 shaders in more than one pass on the 420. Could be bad...could be not so bad....

Nvidia256
04-21-04, 08:25 PM
Well it came from a top secret classified document leaked from ATI confirmed it still has PS 2.0

I read that document, and so what you are saying is that you know for a fact that r420 is VS 3.0 free hmmmmmmmmmm

Listen nobody has any real hard evidence to support any clams made regarding r420, COME on guys let's just wait for the damn thing to be relased before we go off an a rant.

jbirney
04-21-04, 08:26 PM
I read that document, and so what you are saying is that you know for a fact that r420 is VS 3.0 free hmmmmmmmmmm

Listen nobody has any real hard evidence to support any clams made regarding r420, COME on guys let's just wait for the damn thing to be relased before we go off an a rant.


The "best" rumor is it has VS3.0 support and some PS3.0 elements. And by best I mean the one that everyone including what little leaked info we have tends to agree upon...could be way off...could be spot on. Meh :)

NightFire
04-21-04, 08:27 PM
COME on guys let's just wait for the damn thing to be relased before we go off an a rant.

Seconded.

photophreak314
04-21-04, 11:32 PM
AthlonXP1800:

I think I know the document you're talking about. Powerpoint by any chance?