Driverheaven Farcry Benchmark / 6800 Performance

[Rippedface]

"There have been a few story’s circulating on the Internet today regarding 6800Ultra performance in Farcry and how IQ is impacted when the Device ID is changed.

Last weekend we tested Farcry under these conditions for our upcoming 6800 Ultra review however based on the fact that information has become widely available on the subject today it may be useful to know what our findings regarding performance were when these IQ changes were made."

Read it Here (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44253http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44253)

[SH64]

God ! dont you guys ever get sick of that "FC & 6800" story !!

[creedamd]

So, basically, if the 6800u is forced to do the same work as the 9800xt, it gets about 7 or 8 fps more?

[5150 Joker]

So, basically, if the 6800u is forced to do the same work as the 9800xt, it gets about 7 or 8 fps more?

I doubt that very much. Its running on the R300 path, perhaps when the game is properly patched to support the 6800 in PS 2.0/3.0 and some retail drivers are released then we can get a real gauge of how well it does - I'm guessing at least 30-40% faster than the 9800 XT. BTW Driverheaven is fairly ATI biased so I wouldn't really trust much of anything they have to report.

[CaiNaM]

you know.. i am curious about this..

you have an nvidia card, using nvidia drivers.

you change the device id, so the game thinks it's an r350. now, wouldn't this mess up performance, regardless of whether the game was opimtized for one of the other?

while this could mean it "turns off" nv specific optimizations, what if the "game" was forcing ati specific optimizations to an nv driver/card? or something else? how can you tell why the results are different? how can this prove conclusively what is going on at the code/driver level? is there a way to tell specifically what ramifications there are in reporting the hardware as something it's not?

doesn't seem very conclusive to me, but if i'm wrong here, somebody please take time to explain.. :confused:

[lIqUID]

Driverheaven must be run by idiots LOL. Man some people are REALLY trying to grab straws.

[SuLinUX]

Driverheaven must be run by idiots LOL. Man some people are REALLY trying to grab straws.

Indeed, really makes you wounder if ATI users are worried, they are trying to put out every stunt to knock the NV40 down.

[Blacklash]

Try reading Beyond3d's Forums if you want feedback from well read individuals. This board is fast being ruined by the absurdity of some fanATIcs.

Most people on both sides of the fence that are mildly reasonable believe some folks at DH have truly fallen out of their tree. Be glad I am not a mod, I would put an end to this nonsense fast. Especially pointless FUD like this.

"Tests" like these benefit no one and prove nothing. The 6800u is at least twice as strong as a 9800XT. And work?? Let's talk about old nvidia style AF vs the new industry standard of Ati style. Please.

I'd like to see a new rule for the next few months. No posting if you have under sixteen posts to your user name.

[evilchris]

So, basically, if the 6800u is forced to do the same work as the 9800xt, it gets about 7 or 8 fps more?

Theoretically, a 6800 has 94% more fillrate than 9800XT. With that in mind, something else is wrong in that benchmark be it the game, the driver, whatever. There is no way the 9800 is 2x as efficient as the 6800.

[CaiNaM]

Try reading Beyond3d's Forums if you want feedback from well read individuals. This board is fast being ruined by the absurdity of some fanATIcs.

Most people on both sides of the fence that are mildly reasonable believe some folks at DH have truly fallen out of their tree. Be glad I am not a mod, I would put an end to this nonsense fast. Especially pointless FUD like this.

"Tests" like these benefit no one and prove nothing. The 6800u is at least twice as strong as a 9800XT. And work?? Let's talk about old nvidia style AF vs the new industry standard of Ati style. Please.

I'd like to see a new rule for the next few months. No posting if you have under sixteen posts to your user name.

so discussing this to prove it FUD is nonsense? turning a blind eye to idiocy is as bad as the idiocy iteself....

[radunovicL]

I think that this is a good thing they did. I doubt that NV40 will have better performance using FP32 and PS3.0, i think even lower than they have now.
Maybe I'm wrong, but r420XT has way much better performance in Far Cry than NV40, and NVIDIA could end up cutting everything to FP16 to keep it up. And I think that IQ is not a bug...NVIDIA waits for r420 and according to r420 performance they will decide to go for FP32 or they will still use FP16.
Time will tell...

[zerodamage]

There are no ati specific optimizations. Forcing the game to recognize the card as a 9800 means that the game is using true DX9 paths.

As for being biased for ATI, using that as justification to ignore the facts about Nvidia is sad. We didn't make Nvidia do these things. It is not our fault Nvidia isn't as open to forums like these like ATI is.

Once again as for being biased, I encourage you to read this: http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Gainward5900XT/

[jimmyjames123]

Implying that a 9800XT will hang with a 6800U in FarCry really sounds like wishful thinking IMHO. We have seen plenty of gaming benchmarks and synthetic benchmarks where the 6800U's PS 2.0 speed is much faster than anything currently out on the market. I'd suggest that it would be more prudent to wait for more mature drivers before jumping to conclusions about 6800U Far Cry performance.

[evilchris]

Implying that a 9800XT will hang with a 6800U in FarCry really sounds like wishful thinking IMHO. We have seen plenty of gaming benchmarks and synthetic benchmarks where the 6800U's PS 2.0 speed is much faster than anything currently out on the market. I'd suggest that it would be more prudent to wait for more mature drivers before jumping to conclusions about 6800U Far Cry performance.

Exactly. Something is wrong and needs fixed. Shadermark ( worshipped by ATI fanboys since ATI slapped the NV3x around in it ) has NV40 beating 9800XT by anywhere from 200 - 500 %. This is enough to show that something else is glitchy in Farcry and is killing the 6800.

[saturnotaku]

Maybe I'm wrong, but r420XT has way much better performance in Far Cry than NV40, and NVIDIA could end up cutting everything to FP16 to keep it up. And I think that IQ is not a bug..

Unless you work for ATI or tortured one of their employees into breaking their NDA, you know absolutely nothing about how the R420 performs at this point. Let me say that again in big letters - NOTHING

[evilchris]

Unless you work for ATI or tortured one of their employees into breaking their NDA, you know absolutely nothing about how the R420 performs at this point. Let me say that again in big letters - NOTHING

But, but, HELLBINDER told him!

[lIqUID]

IMaybe I'm wrong, but r420XT has way much better performance in Far Cry than NV40

Wheres a link that shows r420XT benches from a RELIABLE source? bc Ive seen none. That is unless your a reviewer with an r420XT, but then you would be breaking NDA. My guess is "maybe your wrong".

[SuLinUX]

I think that this is a good thing they did. I doubt that NV40 will have better performance using FP32 and PS3.0, i think even lower than they have now.
Maybe I'm wrong, but r420XT has way much better performance in Far Cry than NV40, and NVIDIA could end up cutting everything to FP16 to keep it up. And I think that IQ is not a bug...NVIDIA waits for r420 and according to r420 performance they will decide to go for FP32 or they will still use FP16.
Time will tell...

There is no evidence to suggets that the R420 will be faster than NV40 in farcry, we have yet to see the benchmarks on the NV40 running farcy with SM3/PS3.0 and full 32bit FP.

The 6800 has more than enough power to handle 32bit FP, better drivers, and last a CPU showing the NV40 full potiental.

[evilchris]

There is no evidence to suggets that the R420 will be faster than NV40 in farcry, we have yet to see the benchmarks on the NV40 running farcy with SM3/PS3.0 and full 32bit FP.

The 6800 has more than enough power to handle 32bit FP, better drivers, and last a CPU showing the NV40 full potiental.

NV40 also has WAY more registers to support FP32, something NV3x lacked. That was the cause of the big slowdown.

[reever2]

Try reading Beyond3d's Forums if you want feedback from well read individuals. This board is fast being ruined by the absurdity of some fanATIcs.

Yup, blame one group, more than fanatics have moved onto this board and migrated to many others making the exact same comments on every board in the past month

[Blacklash]

Time will prove this is fan boy voodoo,

What is to discuss? It's absurd. When the card comes with the proper non beta drivers you will have your answers. Everything can not be perfectly in place for a new generation card that isn't even on the shelf yet.

As others have said how is it DH is so smart/wise but all other tried and proven reviewers are suddenly clueless idiots? Everyone has sold out and is turning a blind eye yes that's perfectly logical.

When this turns back into a Nvidia fansite someone let me know. I wouldn't want to debate video card drivers blowing up monitors either, that's ridiculous and I have said as much at Rage3d.

I like Ati cards honestly, but I loathe many of their fans. The fact is Ati hasn't put anything on the table yet, and this is FUD, plain pure and simple. Right now the 6800u is more 'proven' than the any of the r420's. Suggesting that the 6800u is barely better than the 9800XT and has to 'cheat' to be better is nothing but desperation.

After this FUD dies down I wonder what the next will be?

See you guys in June. I really can't believe people contine to fall for stuns like these. You guys can stay here and indulge the pointless banter. I am out.

[creedamd]

Take it easy bro, June aint so far away!!

[SuLinUX]

Time will prove this is fan boy voodoo,

What is to discuss? It's absurd. When the card comes with the proper non beta drivers you will have your answers. Everything can not be perfectly in place for a new generation card that isn't even on the shelf yet.

As others have said how is it DH is so smart/wise but all other tried and proven reviewers are suddenly clueless idiots? Everyone has sold out and is turning a blind eye yes that's perfectly logical.

When this turns back into a Nvidia fansite someone let me know. I wouldn't want to debate video card drivers blowing up monitors either, that's ridiculous and I have said as much at Rage3d.

I like Ati cards honestly, but I loathe many of their fans. The fact is Ati hasn't put anything on the table yet, and this is FUD, plain pure and simple. Right now the 6800u is more 'proven' than the any of the r420's. Suggesting that the 6800u is barely better than the 9800XT and has to 'cheat' to be better is nothing but desperation.

After this FUD dies down I wonder what the next will be?

See you guys in June. I really can't believe people contine to fall for stuns like these. You guys can stay here and indulge the pointless banter. I am out.

Very well put and I agree.

[creedamd]

Very well put and I agree.

Take it easy bro, June aint so far away!!

[saturnotaku]

Take it easy bro, June aint so far away!!

We get it. No need to double post. :rolleyes: