Temporal AA vs. Regular AA

[pat777]

I don't know much about temporal AA so I won't vote.

[ChrisRay]

Personally from the screenshots I've seen. I think Regular AA is better, because its less of a hassle, (Not worrying about Frame Rates, Refresh rate. And and that annoying flickering that I've seen in a few movies of it.

"However" it has the potential to look better under the right conditions. Check out the Beyond3d thread with the New D3d FSAA tester, lotsa great info there.

[oqvist]

Temporal because in theory it sounds way way better. And most games I play my fps don´t go below 30 anyway since that is how I tweak them generally.

For games like FS 2004 where the fps fluctuate a lot I am wondering but hopefully the new gen have enough oomph anyway.

Should at least give you a lot better image quality running 2 different algorithms instead of just using the same all the time

[Nutty]

Temporal because in theory it sounds way way better.
No it doesn't. In theory it has lots of restrictions. You need V-sync on, you must maintain a high frame-rate. The only thing it achieves is potentially better speed, by tricking the eye into thinking its doing more, when its not.

Normal AA is much better quality, and doesn't suffer from any of the limitations. In theory normal AA is better. The only problems it has is the performance hit of current implementations. This will gradually reduce as time goes on.

Temporal AA sounds like a temporary solution to me. It wont be around or needed in next gen cards and beyond.

[oqvist]

No it doesn't. In theory it has lots of restrictions. You need V-sync on, you must maintain a high frame-rate. The only thing it achieves is potentially better speed, by tricking the eye into thinking its doing more, when its not.

Normal AA is much better quality, and doesn't suffer from any of the limitations. In theory normal AA is better. The only problems it has is the performance hit of current implementations. This will gradually reduce as time goes on.

Temporal AA sounds like a temporary solution to me. It wont be around or needed in next gen cards and beyond.

Well I always run with v-sync on to get rid of tearing. Also I play many games where my framerates on my 9800 PRO never goes below 30.

Normal AA is not of any better quality. I mean it´s definiatly better running 2 slightly different algorithm in 2 frames than the same algorithm in these 2 frames. Should definiatly show some improvement even if you are running 2x temporal aa vs 4x "normal" aa.

The question is just at what fps the flickering stops ;).

[Dazz]

I allways have V-sync on also as 60fps is more then enough :)

[Lfctony]

I experienced some visual problems in Farcry, so currently, I vote for normal AA. And since ATI's 6xAA looks perfect, by the time they get TAA to work pefectly, 6xAA will have a much less significant performance impact than now. So, yes it has potential, but it will be overrun by normal AA in my opinion.

[Moose]

Well I voted for regular AA being better because it is.

True AA is better than temporal AA, however, having the option of having temporal AA in addition is better than not having it.

Temporal AA has quite a few limitations especially on current high end cards, but it has potential and could work very well on the R420 and beyond.

At higher FPS's and with a few changes to the sampling patterns it shouild work very very well. Personally I think it will be awesome on the R420. On my 9800XT it is usable in some games now, basically anything that I can run at at least 60FPS with vsync on.

[oqvist]

Do you mean it look better on CRT:s than LCD:s?? I got a 21" Trinitron CRT so AA is important for me ;)

[Ruined]

Temporal sounds like a cool feature, but it also sounds like a feature that makes framerate dips even more horrible than they are already ;) I'll go with regular AA.

[Nutty]

I mean it´s definiatly better running 2 slightly different algorithm in 2 frames than the same algorithm in these 2 frames.
Only if, your frame-rate is always high enough not to percieve the difference. Otherwise I've been told it looks ****.

I'd rather have proper AA at the same speed myself.

[GlowStick]

Im sticking with Regular 2xAA, i havent had any problems with it yet!

[{Sniping}Waste]

Temporal sounds like a cool feature, but it also sounds like a feature that makes framerate dips even more horrible than they are already ;) I'll go with regular AA.
Its the other way around. You can get better AA with a lower preformans hit.

Like 2XT2 will have the preformans hit of 2XAA but look like 4XAA.
Or, 2XT3 will have the preformans hit of 2XAA but look like 6XAA.
Or 6XT3 will have the priformans hit of 6XAA but look like 18XAA.

[GlowStick]

Its the other way around. You can get better AA with a lower preformans hit.

Like 2XT2 will have the preformans hit of 2XAA but look like 4XAA.
Or, 2XT3 will have the preformans hit of 2XAA but look like 6XAA.
Or 6XT3 will have the priformans hit of 6XAA but look like 18XAA.
Yes, Untill you get a fps dip, then all of those new modes looks bad.

[fx5600ultra]

With TemporalAAThreshold(works with Cat 4.4), it will fall back to the Regular AA when below the critical(can be defined in the registry) FPS.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11889&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=400&sid=be7b4bc4a6ff8f73bd07ea82dd11a353

[{Sniping}Waste]

Yes, Untill you get a fps dip, then all of those new modes looks bad.
Your forgeting the R420.
It looks like the R420 will put out more FPS then needed for this.

[Clay]

This is hilarious...where are all the people that were crying about having to replace their PSU when NVIDIA "recommended" a 480PSU? Should not those same people be crying foul that they now "might" need to replace their CRT/LCD in order to take advantage of temporal AA? :rofl I mean..hee hee...the expense between a quality PSU and a new CRT/LCD is wide chasm. :rofl Whew...my belly hurts. :D

[jbirney]

This is hilarious...where are all the people that were crying about having to replace their PSU when NVIDIA "recommended" a 480PSU? Should not those same people be crying foul that they now "might" need to replace their CRT/LCD in order to take advantage of temporal AA? :rofl I mean..hee hee...the expense between a quality PSU and a new CRT/LCD is wide chasm. :rofl Whew...my belly hurts. :D

The power requirement stated by NV is a physical limitation that would prevent you from using the card (if it was true). This a big issue (even though it appears not to be an issue). T-AA does not require an LCD (just it tends to work better) to use T-AA. Thus its a small issue. Also ATI has not annouced or commited on this as some people just "found it". So we are comparing two things that ARE NOT THE SAME. Granted they are a bit hypocritical as all fan boys tend to be, but its not the same thing. But lets just wait until ATI annouces this before we laugh at the fanboys :)

[Clay]

The power requirement stated by NV is a physical limitation that would prevent you from using the card (if it was true). This a big issue (even though it appears not to be an issue). T-AA does not require an LCD (just it tends to work better) to use T-AA. Thus its a small issue. Also ATI has not annouced or commited on this as some people just "found it". So we are comparing two things that ARE NOT THE SAME. Granted they are a bit hypocritical as all fan boys tend to be, but its not the same thing. But lets just wait until ATI annouces this before we laugh at the fanboys :)
All of what you said is somewhat of course. I just find it hilarious that people aren't knee jerking on this. So yeah, apples/oranges..too early, etc... I agree no doubt. However, I don't have to wait on squat to laugh at fanboys. :D

[{Sniping}Waste]

All of what you said is somewhat of course. I just find it hilarious that people aren't knee jerking on this. So yeah, apples/oranges..too early, etc... I agree no doubt. However, I don't have to wait on squat to laugh at fanboys. :D

Same thing here. I hate fanboys on both sides. Reading there posts seems to lower the readers IQ. :retard:

[Clay]

Same thing here. I hate fanboys on both sides. Reading there posts seems to lower the readers IQ. :retard:I think I should qualify what I mean by fanboys so as not to offend. There are people that sincerely "prefer" one company over the other. I don't laugh at those individuals.

To me, a fanboy is someone that knee jerks, makes irrational/heavily biased statements. They try to influence people one way or the other with heated comments. Some people are just exuberant youth and that's fine too. I guess I'm actually laughing at the fanboys that are so for other reasons. ;)

[Casper]

Should come real handy in games out today though. Well excluding Far Cry perhaps.

[pat777]

Your forgeting the R420.
It looks like the R420 will put out more FPS then needed for this.
Then again, your forgeting future games. :) I think temporal AA will be great in this generation on the R420. I don't like V-sync though. I have much to learn(I don't have a R3xx)about temporal AA before voting.

[Nv40]

Yes, Untill you get a fps dip, then all of those new modes looks bad.


but also a couple of folks will damage their monitors.. ;)

[pat777]

but also a couple of folks will damage their monitors.. ;)
How does temporal AA damage moniters? Are the "couple of folks" you are refering to all the people who use temporal AA or just some of them with certain moniters?