X800 Pro specs!

[mavis]

Preorder an x800 Pro! (http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=8988&sid=QDW3SU88MR308NT1TVC71XN9HSTJ27C2#)

Complete with specs ... :D

The only thing that bothers me is the price - I thought the XT would be $499 - NOT the Pro ... ?

[Bad_Boy]

havent seen that pic before. nice find bro.
*bb still waits for the x800xt* ;)

[-=DVS=-]

a little confuseing

!? 12 parallel pixel pipelines
!? 8 extreme parallel pixel pipelines
6 parallel vertex processing engines

So is it 12 or 8 pixel pipes :screwy: preordering is cool an all , but without reviews im not gonna :(
(omg) don't they break NDA for giveing spec info :eek:

[radunovicL]

Maybe it has 12 + 8 = 20 pipelines (spit)

[DMA]

Ooopsie, what are they thinking at Allstarshop? :screwy:
I don't think this will be up tomorrow. :D

Not that i'm complaining though, it's pretty much all there. :drooling:

[-=DVS=-]

DVANCED 3D ARCHITECTURE
The RADEONTM X800 PRO features SMARTSHADER™ HD, the most advanced pixel
shader engine with 12 parallel pixel pipelines capable of an incredible 6 igapixels/second fill rate in full precision! With six programmable vertex shader pipelines, capable of up to 7000 million vertices per second and an overall capability of over 140 million floating point operations per second(Giga FLOPS), the RADEON™ X800 PRO delivers the most beautifully rendered high-definition 3D animation for the ultimate in intense, interactive game play.

nah 12 pipe with 500Mhz Core to get 6000 MPixel Fillrate think they misstyped gigapixel also :retard:

[bloodbob]

Still don't know if it is PS3.0 it is definately more then the PS2_b which means it will support PS2_a but hey still doesn't look bad :) but dang expensive :/

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=8988&sid=QDW3SU88MR308NT1TVC71XN9HSTJ27C2#

[{Sniping}Waste]

here is more info from Beyond3d.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12001&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
looks like 12 pipes with 8 of them being extreme. :clap:

[Bad_Boy]

Maybe it has 12 + 8 = 20 pipelines (spit)

lol i can only dream...
with 20 pipes it would be way more than twice the power of the 9800pro ;)



(mag)

[Nv40]

SMARTSHADER™ HD

Support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders
in hardware

Direct X 9.0 Vertex Shaders ?
Vertex programs up to 65,280 instructions with flow control
Single cycle trigonometric operations (SIN & COS)

Direct X 9.0 Extended Pixel Shaders
Up to 1,536 instructions and 16 textures per rendering pass
2nd generation F-buffer technology
accelerates multi-pass pixel shader programs with unlimited instructions
32 temporary and constant registers
Facing register for two-sided lighting
128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats
Multiple Render Target (MRT) support
Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® via extensions


the way that site list the specs looks like it is PS2.a / Vs2.0 ?
it doesnt mention -extended- in the vertex shaders so seems that its Vs2.0 only with flow control (static like Nv3x or dynamic?) neither Vs3.0 support there.. Fp blending/filtering ,displacement mapping ,geometry instancing,no mention either of -dynamic branching- in ps/vs .. usually vendors include any tiny little bit of PR material of the card. however is weird that it looks like they say that R420 Support FP32/Fp16/and int32 ? but not FP24?.. that is a 180 turn around of ATI if that info is true. also goes againt any INQ or any other site rumour outhere in internet. it will be nice if finally ATi is already there.



VIDEOSHADER™ HD

Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
FULLSTREAM™ video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9
formats
VIDEOSOAP™ noise removal filtering for captured video
MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration

DXVA Support
Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays
Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal
filtering)



here it doesnt look like they have a dedicated hardware for Mpeg1/2/4 encoding/decoding ,like the Nv40..and that are using the pixel shaders to -assist-.. if this is the case then is similar to the R3xx support. we will know for sure in official reviews.

well maybe that site doesnt know how to market what they sell ,and left behind many of the things that R420 support ,or the card doesnt have the features that many people rumored.. like full support for Vs3.0 and almost full support for PS3.0. fbuffer2 is not a directx9 spec ,but an opengl one .what is weird is the pipelines configurations ,8 extreme or 12 normal ? .the .benchmarks will easily confirm this. however it will be nice if ATi move finally to Fp32 precision in the ps.

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[ClosetFanBoy]

for that price? uh no. either that's a booboo or ati done bumped their heads. (bam)

[AthlonXP1800]

for that price? uh no. either that's a booboo or ati done bumped their heads. (bam)

Yeah how very unfortunately for ATI. In last few weeks here was a post at Rage3D forum about information about R420 strategy from ATI, they decided that R420 wont target NV40 due to different prices points. I was not very cleared what ATI mean but now the message is very clear, it mean higher uncompetive prices.

2 possible reasons of higher prices, also see my Are R420 going to be in short supply? (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27212) thread:

1) R420 in short supply, ATI decided to raise the price ensure stablity supply.

2) In order to meet demand, ATI had no choice but to cover the higher price cost to pay to China to continue out-sourcing productions during productions power plants' energy crisis to stay floating.

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

It seem that ATI lost their way.

[noko]

If those are the prices then an Ultra will probably end up in my machine, I doubt those are the prices but who knows?

[Dazz]

Yeah the 128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats
Got me thinking also.

[mavis]

Well, has anyone stopped to consider that maybe allstarshop.com is just trying to gouge the early(pre)-adopters? Everything I've heard indicates the Pro will be $399, NOT $499 ...

Doesn't really make sense, IMHO ...

[Moose]

If those are the prices then an Ultra will probably end up in my machine, I doubt those are the prices but who knows?


Why? Won't the 6800ultra be $499 as well?

Actually the only rumors I've seen on 6800 pricing was $299 for the non ultra which I won't believe until I see it for that price in a store.

In all likelihood they will be $499 for the top model then $399 and $299 for lower clocked lower piped versions.

[PatrickL]

As Dave said at beyond3d, you should check the prices that shop is listing for the other cards.

It is very clear that prices listed there are not market prices but very expensive ones.....

[MontoyaSG]

Yeah how very unfortunately for ATI. In last few weeks here was a post at Rage3D forum about information about R420 strategy from ATI, they decided that R420 wont target NV40 due to different prices points. I was not very cleared what ATI mean but now the message is very clear, it mean higher uncompetive prices.

2 possible reasons of higher prices, also see my Are R420 going to be in short supply? (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27212) thread:

1) R420 in short supply, ATI decided to raise the price ensure stablity supply.

2) In order to meet demand, ATI had no choice but to cover the higher price cost to pay to China to continue out-sourcing productions during productions power plants' energy crisis to stay floating.

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

It seem that ATI lost their way.

the 6800 @ $299 will be pretty hard to beat

[Slappi]

Yeah how very unfortunately for ATI. In last few weeks here was a post at Rage3D forum about information about R420 strategy from ATI, they decided that R420 wont target NV40 due to different prices points. I was not very cleared what ATI mean but now the message is very clear, it mean higher uncompetive prices.

2 possible reasons of higher prices, also see my Are R420 going to be in short supply? (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27212) thread:

1) R420 in short supply, ATI decided to raise the price ensure stablity supply.

2) In order to meet demand, ATI had no choice but to cover the higher price cost to pay to China to continue out-sourcing productions during productions power plants' energy crisis to stay floating.

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

It seem that ATI lost their way.



LMAO you got all of that from one online retailer.

Damn you are amazing.

Please pick my lotto numbers for me.

[EMunEeE]

128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats

The 9800 series also supports this.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9800/radeon9800pro/specs.html

[DivotMaker]

LMAO you got all of that from one online retailer.

Damn you are amazing.

Please pick my lotto numbers for me.

LOL...took the words right out of my mouth....

[ntxawg]

Yeah how very unfortunately for ATI. In last few weeks here was a post at Rage3D forum about information about R420 strategy from ATI, they decided that R420 wont target NV40 due to different prices points. I was not very cleared what ATI mean but now the message is very clear, it mean higher uncompetive prices.

2 possible reasons of higher prices, also see my Are R420 going to be in short supply? (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27212) thread:

1) R420 in short supply, ATI decided to raise the price ensure stablity supply.

2) In order to meet demand, ATI had no choice but to cover the higher price cost to pay to China to continue out-sourcing productions during productions power plants' energy crisis to stay floating.

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

It seem that ATI lost their way.


i guess this news report about ibm fab having issues http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PZ0BBUALYQ2O0QSNDBCSK HQ?articleID=18901773 must have hurt 6800 supply too right?? NOT, geeze dude you make up too much FUD.

[volkskrant]

Yeah how very unfortunately for ATI. In last few weeks here was a post at Rage3D forum about information about R420 strategy from ATI, they decided that R420 wont target NV40 due to different prices points. I was not very cleared what ATI mean but now the message is very clear, it mean higher uncompetive prices.

2 possible reasons of higher prices, also see my Are R420 going to be in short supply? (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27212) thread:

1) R420 in short supply, ATI decided to raise the price ensure stablity supply.

2) In order to meet demand, ATI had no choice but to cover the higher price cost to pay to China to continue out-sourcing productions during productions power plants' energy crisis to stay floating.

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

It seem that ATI lost their way.


You have a link to those prices? Or to you just base this on the 499Pro price, which is likely not the suggested retail price.

[Nv40]

128-bit, 64-bit & 32-bit per pixel floating point color formats



The 9800 series also supports this.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9800/radeon9800pro/specs.html


sight...
no wonder why i take wich a huge grain of salt marketing papers.. ATi "believe" Fp32 is not neccesary ,but that doesnt stop them to market their cards as if they have it. pretty lame..imho.

if you dont have the feature ,lets make it looks that you have it . :rolleyes:

until now it looks like the R420 is
Ps2.a /Vs2.0 , Fp24 and some video encoding/decoding capabilities ,with new compression techniques and of course faster performance.

[jimmyjames123]

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $399 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $499 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $599 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

I'd say it is more realistic to expect that those ATI prices are $100 too high. So:

X800 SE with 8x1/16x0 $299 - 6800 with 12x1/24x0 $299
X800 PRO with 12x1/20x0 $399 - 6800 PRO with 12x1/24x0 $399
X800 XT with 16x1/24x0 $499 - 6800 Ultra with 16x1/32x0 $499

And even then, it is anyone's guess at this point if these will be in fact the final configurations, what the core clock and memory clock speeds will be, what features the cards will have, etc. Nevertheless, NV looks to be in a much better position this time around vs last round.