View Full Version : Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief,'
DiscipleDOC
05-03-04, 01:33 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archiv e\200405\SPE20040503a.html
"We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief," O'Neill said.
PsychoSy
05-03-04, 02:08 PM
Let's see -- 19 of 23 officers signing a letter versus over 200 million potential voters ...
I'm sorry DD, but hearing this speil is like hearing the jackass Radio Shack employee tell my daughter's grampa that the grey area in the middle of Monroe County he pointed to on his map of coverage for Spint PCS service was "an area of no concern" when shopping for a cell phone a few years back.
His reply?
"I'll be judge of 'areas of no concern', asshole ... especially if my car throws a rod while driving within the sonofabitch, eh?!?" :D
And good grief, this is a link to CNS News, run by Brent "Bozo" Bozell III, the son of the famed McCarthy speechwriter. How wonderful his news outfit takes the time out of bashing Mortal Kombat, The Shield, and WWE Wrestling in order to attack a Democratic presidential candidate? Sorry, but I wouldn't trust this SOB to sit the right way on a toilet seat let alone deliver news! :)
DiscipleDOC
05-03-04, 02:23 PM
Psy,
That may be true (what you said)....but the bottom line is that people that he served with said that he is unfit to serve as Commander-in-Chief. Regardless of how you feel about CNS, don't you think that they deserve the benefit of doubt about this?
With security of our nation as a high priority, I would not trust Kerry at the helm.
Son Goku
05-03-04, 03:32 PM
At this time of mud slinging and dirty politics, I wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to either side on these sorts of messages.
And quite frankly, come this election I'll end up voting for Kerry, not because I think he's the best there could be; but rather because in my mind Bush is a whole site worse. And speaking of which, one could well wonder what this nation has come to when people (and I'm not alone in elections) end up voting against candidates rather then for them; or the lesser of evils as many would phrase it? :bleh:
netviper13
05-03-04, 04:30 PM
How many people did Bush serve with in Vietnam? Oh wait...
Quite frankly there is no challenge on military records in this year's election - because Kerry is the only person who has one.
DiscipleDOC
05-03-04, 06:57 PM
How many people did Bush serve with in Vietnam? Oh wait...
Quite frankly there is no challenge on military records in this year's election - because Kerry is the only person who has one.
:lame:
The fact of the matter is that there are people that says that kerry is not a good leader...and all you have about Bush is heresay that he did not serve.
Do you have anything better?
Rob_0126
05-03-04, 07:38 PM
At this time of mud slinging and dirty politics, I wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to either side on these sorts of messages.
And quite frankly, come this election I'll end up voting for Kerry, not because I think he's the best there could be; but rather because in my mind Bush is a whole site worse. And speaking of which, one could well wonder what this nation has come to when people (and I'm not alone in elections) end up voting against candidates rather then for them; or the lesser of evils as many would phrase it? :bleh:
Everyone has theirs right to vote for whoever they feel like. It's a free country.
Me, I wouldn't vote for Kerry, if he was running against ross perot.
Kerry has proven time and time again, that he can't make up his mind on anything.
Think about this, if we ever went to another war, and kerry fumbling at the helm. :retard:
Bush is a proven commander, reguardless of what people think of him.
My vote is for Bush.
Robert
PsychoSy
05-03-04, 07:51 PM
Yeah, I have better! :)
Check this out -- whichever political party controls the majority of both the House and Senate is the party I won't vote for during a Presidential election period. For example, right now, Republicans have the majority of both the House and Senate as well as the White House. Having control of 2/3rds is bad enough ... but a trifecta is simply unacceptable to me. Why? IMO, that's just simply way too much power for one political party to have! Any political party that has a trifecta also has a blank check to do anything they want with taxpayer's money without hardly any accountability or oversight.
Therefore, this election, I gotta elect Kerry, regardless of how apathetic I am towards the sonofagun in order to restore some sense of balance in an otherwise overspending and cryto-fascist regime we've had the past 4 years. Some people will, "Well gee, that's not smart -- nothing ever gets done since The Republicans on the hill are always fighting and bickering with the Democrat on Pennsylvania!!"
Exactly my point!!
Having a Democrat as President while Republicans hold control of the House and Senate give this nation what it really needs ... GRIDLOCK!! The more they bicker and bitch amongst themselves, the less interest (or time) they have in finding out what books I check out at the library or purchase at Borders, what loud and deranged music I could be blaring, what I'm doing or not doing on the internet, what video game of television program I'm tuned to ... and whatever I may or may not being doing in the privacy of my bedroom with another consenting adult. It's called FREEDOM, and I freakin' love it!! :D
It's too bad people like L. Brent Bozell and Joe Lieberman don't. ;)
I don't think Kerry matters anymore, its Hillary you need to be worrying about :)
Saint Lucifer
05-03-04, 08:06 PM
Having a Democrat as President while Republicans hold control of the House and Senate give this nation what it really needs ... GRIDLOCK!!
Although I don't usually agree with PsychoSy, I must say that it's nice to see someone else appreciates the concept of balance in government. :thumbsup:
Son Goku
05-03-04, 08:17 PM
Rob, this has been thrown about so many times it isn't even funny anymore. I didn't agree with the right wing posters when these things were argued all the time in the past...and nothing you have said here has changed my mind now. But you're right on one thing, everyone has a right to vote for whom they chose. My vote will be cancelling yours out however :D
Kerry has proven time and time again, that he can't make up his mind on anything.
Sigh. And all the things Bush has flip flopped on, such as the reasons we went into Iraq in the first place. The story has changed so many times it isn't even funny. And this is just one area...but quite frankly I'm sick of arguing the same thing over and over again ad infinitum...so much like Sazar I'll suggest that the post here gives me certain entertainment value and leave it at that :lol: Quite frankly he was far more patient then my natural inclination is on many of these things. I for one get tired of arguing in circles.
Think about this, if we ever went to another war, and kerry fumbling at the helm. :retard:
And with Bush at the helm, we can look at exactly what has happened. And quite frankly not every one of us agrees with his wartime policy, or with many of his "counter-terrorism prospects" on the domestic side either. Things such as total information awareness and what not.
And so what do we have now? We have a mess...that quite frankly until we see a resolution in the area which improves matters for all parties concerned isn't really worth praising the man on. The story changed so many times on why we're there...quite frankly I can't even stand to listen to this gas bag speak anymore... Yawn...this is putting me to sleep...all I can say anymore is that it's all been said before, and best just agree to disagree :D
Bush is a proven commander, reguardless of what people think of him
My vote is for Bush.
Robert
In your opinion and you do have that right...as I have a right to disagree and vote otherwise.
Rob_0126
05-03-04, 08:17 PM
They should setup a system, where us the people, could vote from our homes.
It would have some kind of ID system so someone couldn't mess around with your voting.
I say, give the power back to the people, and not the government.
Course, this will happen, when the moon crashes into the Earth. :rolleyes:
Robert
Saint Lucifer
05-03-04, 08:44 PM
How does voting at home differ from voting at a polling station? Other than convenience, of course.
How many people did Bush serve with in Vietnam? Oh wait...
Quite frankly there is no challenge on military records in this year's election - because Kerry is the only person who has one.
Bush was AWOL for his service in the guard. He was even too affraid to even show up for "guard" duty! I don't see how how any rational person could vote for such a mental midget.
:screwy:
legion88
05-03-04, 10:13 PM
It is amusing that O'Neill never mentions that the Kerry was describing the testimony of over 150 veterans regarding the war crimes that were committed ("Winter Soldier Investigation"). Many of those 150 veterans admitted to committing those crimes themselves. And many of those 150 were highly decorated and all 150 were honorably discharged. That was around 1971.
Those 150 honorably discharged and highly decorated veterans claimed that they personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telphones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks. They did everything but kill babies. Evidently, they didn't kill any babies -- they had to draw the line somewhere -- but they did everything else.
http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp
How it went from 150+ to all vets, well, you have to ask the anti-Kerry spinmeisters on why they want to exaggerate the figure. I think it had something to do with one statement from Kerry where he said that the war crimes were committed "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command". Gee, no wonder his former bosses don't like him.
What is also interesting is that conspiracy theorists said that the 150 or so vets that 'testified' don't actually exist and that some real life veterans were surprised to learn that they 'testified'.
Also according to the theory, the original "author" of "Winter Soldier Investigation", Al Hubbard, allegedly lied about his rank and that according to a 1971 National Review Article, the DOD has no record that he ever served in Vietnam. At least that is what the conspiracy theorists claimed.
Al Hubbard actually lied about his rank. Hubbard, who is black, believed that a black man would get more respect if he was an officer. At least, that is his story. But somehow his lie was twisted into some conspiracy of 150 fake vets claiming war crimes. I have yet to see any result of any investigation concluding that those 150 or so vets were fake.
legion88 ummm you need to read the work done by Neil Sheehan of the new york times and the book stolen valur .... you really dont know what your talking about
http://4dw.net/jqueen/valor.html
retsam
netviper13
05-03-04, 11:45 PM
:lame:
The fact of the matter is that there are people that says that kerry is not a good leader...and all you have about Bush is heresay that he did not serve.
Do you have anything better?
Where did I say that Bush did not serve? He did not serve in Vietnam, this is a fact, whether he showed up for his National Guard duty is the disputed fact (but I'm not touching that issue here).
Let's see where the argument leads here: allegations from commanders (whom Kerry alleged participated in committing war crimes) about the leadership ability of a decorated Vietnam vet - this is one choice. The other choice is George W. Bush, who did not serve in Vietnam, is not decorated, and certainly cannot lead worth a darn. Colin Powell is the only one in the current administration with the brains to run an operation like what we have now, and he's been blackballed by the hawks (Rummy, Bush, and Cheney).
The day Colin Powell runs for president is the day I vote republican, until then I'm sticking with Kerry.
1stFlight
05-04-04, 01:27 AM
How many people did Bush serve with in Vietnam? Oh wait...
Quite frankly there is no challenge on military records in this year's election - because Kerry is the only person who has one.
Hell, why stop at Vietnam, last I heard they could find anybody who remembers serving with G.W. ..
Newsflash - Warren Buffett is endorsing Kerry (http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/stories/002541.html). Kerry's playing it smart, campaigning right down the middle, and pushing Bush to the Right.
Newsflash - Warren Buffett is endorsing Kerry. Kerry's playing it smart, campaigning right down the middle, and pushing Bush to the Right.
i fail to see how the makes kerry look like he's in the middle ..... warren buffett is a long time lefty
1stFlight
05-04-04, 04:11 AM
i fail to see how the makes kerry look like he's in the middle ..... warren buffett is a long time lefty
Buffett = 2nd richest person in the world
Republicans love people with a good business sense, I'd say Buffetts' is unquestionable.
Republicans love people with a good business sense, I'd say Buffetts' is unquestionable no republicans love people with conservative views ..... then what you are say is that the republicans should love bill clinton then.... just becouse he is rich..... trust me ive seen bill clintons account ........ he is rich
DiscipleDOC
05-04-04, 08:19 AM
You guys are funny. You think that when President Bush gets reelected, it's because there was no one else to vote for. How stupid can that be? When Bush gets re-elected, it's becuase the majority of Americans appreciate the fact that there is a man in the White House that has values that has been missing for almost a decade. Bush stands for something (insert your own corny joke here), and that goes way beyond what Kerry could ever show me.
1stFlight
05-04-04, 08:25 AM
You guys are funny. You think that when President Bush gets reelected, it's because there was no one else to vote for. How stupid can that be? When Bush gets re-elected, it's becuase the majority of Americans appreciate the fact that there is a man in the White House that has values that has been missing for almost a decade. Bush stands for something (insert your own corny joke here), and that goes way beyond what Kerry could ever show me.
So in other words, when Bush fails to get re-elected, your world is going to come crashing down....okay, I can laugh about that.
Rob_0126
05-04-04, 08:36 AM
You guys are funny. You think that when President Bush gets reelected, it's because there was no one else to vote for. How stupid can that be? When Bush gets re-elected, it's becuase the majority of Americans appreciate the fact that there is a man in the White House that has values that has been missing for almost a decade. Bush stands for something (insert your own corny joke here), and that goes way beyond what Kerry could ever show me.
I agree. It seems that it has come down to nit picking someones background, to get more votes.
Frankly, I dont care if Bush served in the military, yep thats my opinion because I never started this 'a president had to serve in the military' sfpill.
So far, Bush has done the best job he could, considering the absense of backing from the rest of our government. Contrary to belief, the president doesn't make ALL the decisions.
Robert
DiscipleDOC
05-04-04, 08:48 AM
So in other words, when Bush fails to get re-elected, your world is going to come crashing down....okay, I can laugh about that.
You need to try to flame others. I'm not affected by childish behaviour like yours. Until you post something that I consider really dumb, I won't be responding to anymore of your childish attacks.
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