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jimmyjames123
05-04-04, 11:29 AM
Anyone notice that the NV GeForce 6800 GT could end up being like the next Ti4200?

NV now has three 16 pipeline parts, all with the same full feature set, somewhat similar to what they did with the GeForce4 Ti series:

6800 Ultra Extreme
6800 Ultra
6800 GT

Also, from the Firingsquad review, they were able to overclock the 6800 GT to 425Mhz Core and 1.2Ghz memory, even higher than the standard 6800 Ultra clocks.

Another interesting point in the GT's favor is that it is a single slot design that does not require ultra high power requirements.

Of course, this time around we also have a worthy competitor in the 12 pipe X800 Pro, selling for a similar price.

monly
05-04-04, 11:46 AM
i gotta say that this is gonna be the card i will be getting. Well done Nvidia :clap: . It looks to be an amazing performer and is faster than the pro in most situations.
the release date of mid june wont bother me much as i gotta save another £100 before i can get one:)

Ruined
05-04-04, 12:03 PM
from gamespot:
http://www.reflectonreality.com/images/nv40c/gs1.gif

I think I might snag one of these too, apparently it only uses a single molex connector for power as well! For $399 it looks tough to beat.

ClosetFanBoy
05-04-04, 12:12 PM
i think the unlikely hero is stepping out from the shadows - while all the cards are impressive - i think this guy just stole the show! (foshiz)

now im really in need of knowing what lil brother 6800nu can do.

john19055
05-04-04, 12:14 PM
The GT looks like the one I will be most interested in getting since it looks like it will overclock good and has the full 16 pipelines.

Casper
05-04-04, 12:41 PM
Yes for the bang for the buck people definiatly the choice is between a 399$ X800 PRO or a 399$ 6800GT. I would pick the X800PRO though that isn´t a slouch in overclocking either and it won´t take long until people figure out how to enable those broken pipelines lol

coldpower27
05-04-04, 12:52 PM
It depends, if you can enable the pipelines again this time, ATI isn't just gonna let money slip thru it's fingers this time around, they are likely gonna fuse the pipelines shut in hardware not just software. They want people to buy the X800 XT not buy a cheaper chip and just mod it to get the same performance of the higher end product.

Even if you can't enable the pipelines, it's still awesomely fast card though.:angel:

Nitz Walsh
05-04-04, 12:52 PM
Anyone notice that the NV GeForce 6800 GT could end up being like the next Ti4200?

The 4200 wasn't a great card just because it was close in price/performance to its far more expensive members, but also because it was $199.

The 6800 GT, OTOH, is $399 - when other PC components have continued to drop in price.

So, relative to the 6800 Ultra, sure - it's a solid deal. But a 4200 it isn't when its twice the price.

ClosetFanBoy
05-04-04, 12:52 PM
Yes for the bang for the buck people definiatly the choice is between a 399$ X800 PRO or a 399$ 6800GT. I would pick the X800PRO though that isn´t a slouch in overclocking either and it won´t take long until people figure out how to enable those broken pipelines lol

didnt someone say on beyond 3d they were laser cut. if thats the case gonna be a hard act to enable. and isnt it true they had a hard time getting a low percantage of the 4 extra pipes to work for the xt's? gonna be luck of the draw. simple choice - 1 has 16 pipes AND sm3.0 already working :screwy:

jimmyjames123
05-04-04, 12:59 PM
The 4200 wasn't a great card just because it was close in price/performance to its far more expensive members, but also because it was $199.

The 6800 GT, OTOH, is $399 - when other PC components have continued to drop in price.

So, relative to the 6800 Ultra, sure - it's a solid deal. But a 4200 it isn't when its twice the price.

You are right, the 6800 GT will never sell like the Ti4200 because of the price, so in that sense they are not exactly comparable. I guess I meant the Ti4200 of the high end lineup. The battle between NV4x vs R4xx will get even more interesting when the mainstream cards start coming out :D

coldpower27
05-04-04, 12:59 PM
Yeah the Ti4200 Seires was different becuz back then the highest product was only 400US

Ti4200 199US
Ti4400 299US
Ti4600 399US

Now though we have a different situation

6800 299US
6800 GT 399US
6800 Ultra 499US
6800 Ultra (Extreme) 599US?

With the 6800 GT to 6800 Ultra (Extreme) being fully featured.

Casper
05-04-04, 01:03 PM
didnt someone say on beyond 3d they were laser cut. if thats the case gonna be a hard act to enable. and isnt it true they had a hard time getting a low percantage of the 4 extra pipes to work for the xt's? gonna be luck of the draw. simple choice - 1 has 16 pipes AND sm3.0 already working :screwy:

But the 6800GT is not a card you will want to play Unreal 3 with.... So if it´s still slower in todays games thanks to it´s lower clock I wouldn´t get it for the SM 3 support.

That is kind of buy a 5200 FX for it´s dx 9 support... But sure for video editing I have heard it´s faster than a 9800 XT but I only play games really ;)

6800 GT can be a nice choice but I don´t buy cards because of specs I buy them for their performance and IQ. 16 pipelines or SM 3 support don´t necessarily mean that...

jimmyjames123
05-04-04, 01:03 PM
I doubt that NV can get away with selling the 6800 Ultra Extreme edition for $599, unless they sold it with 512MB RAM or something.

jimmyjames123
05-04-04, 01:04 PM
6800 GT can be a nice choice but I don´t buy cards because of specs I buy them for their performance and IQ. 16 pipelines or SM 3 support don´t necessarily mean that...

And the 6800 GT has plenty of performance to back up it's feature set, getting very close to the 6800 Ultra, and even overclocked past the 6800 Ultra in the firingsquad review. So what are you trying to say?

gordon151
05-04-04, 01:07 PM
The 4200 wasn't a great card just because it was close in price/performance to its far more expensive members, but also because it was $199.

The 6800 GT, OTOH, is $399 - when other PC components have continued to drop in price.

So, relative to the 6800 Ultra, sure - it's a solid deal. But a 4200 it isn't when its twice the price.

The performance delta between mainstream and high end cards are so huge now that if you want at least half the performance of the high end $499 card, you have to pony up around $300! Heres hoping the X800 SE is priced at $199 and the 6800 XT isn't some 8 pipe card clocked at 250Mhz or something :p.

coldpower27
05-04-04, 01:15 PM
X800 SE is rumored to be priced around 299US and going to head to head with Geforce 6800.

X800 SE is rumored to have 450MHZ core and 800MHZ Memory on 128Bit Wide Memory Interface, with 8 Pieplines

6800 is rumored to be around 325MHZ Core and 700MHZ Memory on 256Bit Wide Memory Interface with 12 Pipelines

The performance delta between the designed mainstream products and high end products has open up further and further due to them being on the 128Bit Memory Interface which effectively cuts their bandwidth levels down to 50% or less.

I'ts my guess that the mainstream NV40 should be around 4 Vertex Shader Engines and 8 Pipelines on 128Bit Memory Interface with GDDR3 or 256Bit Memory Interface with DDR1 if were lucky. But I ain't too hopeful on the mainstream parts... they have to get production costs down somehow.

ClosetFanBoy
05-04-04, 01:21 PM
6800 GT can be a nice choice but I don´t buy cards because of specs I buy them for their performance and IQ. 16 pipelines or SM 3 support don´t necessarily mean that...

thats why i find the gt sooooo attractive - it either surpasses the pro or keeps it even. all that coming from a card at a clock disadvantage. i just see the extra pipes and 3.0 as an added bonus, a free gift if you will. and i can overclock to boot! quite the performer. :clap:

zakelwe
05-04-04, 01:45 PM
5900XT=======6800GT

Amazing what one letter change and two number changes can do. I really should be in marketing, probably only took them half an hour on the backs of 10000 hours from the engineers :D

Regards

Andy

Casper
05-04-04, 01:50 PM
thats why i find the gt sooooo attractive - it either surpasses the pro or keeps it even. all that coming from a card at a clock disadvantage. i just see the extra pipes and 3.0 as an added bonus, a free gift if you will. and i can overclock to boot! quite the performer. :clap:

But then the X800 PRO beats the 6800 ULTRA in any benchies so what should you believe ;)

The X800 PRO is closer to the 6800 ULTRA in perforamance than the 6800GT from what I could gather. But then I just about only look at those high res with aa and anisotrophic benchmarks.

jimmyjames123
05-04-04, 02:04 PM
The X800 PRO is closer to the 6800 ULTRA in perforamance than the 6800GT from what I could gather.

That's not really accurate. Depends on what game is being tested. In OpenGL games, it looks like all the NV cards are clearly pulling ahead.

Keep in mind that the 6800 GT is just a downclocked 6800 U. In almost every single test in the Firingsquad review, the 6800 GT was within about 5fps of the 6800 Ultra, even at 1600x1200 using up to 4xAA/16xAF. The 6800 GT also was able to be overclocked to 425Mhz core and 1.2Ghz mem in this review.

ClosetFanBoy
05-04-04, 02:13 PM
casper im just looking at the sites that have reviews of all the cards. i hate quoting sites but here: "nVidia's 6800 GT is the winner when stacked against the X800 Pro, but again, it's a close race." also i dont just focus my attention to certain aspects, i look at the broad picture. now i could go around to every review site and pick out certain parts and declare nvidia or ati the *winner* but like i said i look at the broad picture. and its 50/50 to me. and the card that sticks out the most is the gt. it just came out of no where and said bam! here i am! :)

im impressed with everyones offereing kudos to both sides :clap:

The One
05-04-04, 02:18 PM
Yeah the Ti4200 Seires was different becuz back then the highest product was only 400US

Ti4200 199US
Ti4400 299US
Ti4600 399US

Now though we have a different situation

6800 299US
6800 GT 399US
6800 Ultra 499US
6800 Ultra (Extreme) 599US?

With the 6800 GT to 6800 Ultra (Extreme) being fully featured.


6800 199US
6800 GT 299US
6800 Ultra 399US
6800 Ultra (Extreme) 499US
i hope they change the prices to this :bugeyes: :beer: