View Full Version : Iraq was better without us?
vampireuk
05-14-04, 06:59 PM
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Shame on us for spoiling their fun :rolleyes:
Im glad he is gone and it is a bit better now but we really need a more advanced plan to repair this.
Ninja Prime
05-14-04, 07:15 PM
That's not so bad, making some girl see them naked in a pile or getting bitten by a dog is at least 1000 times worse, I mean, who doesn't want to get blow up by a grenade? We are sooooooo bad. They were sooooo much better under Saddam, right?
MorAns. :rolleyes:
Ninja Prime
05-14-04, 07:19 PM
Im glad he is gone and it is a bit better now but we really need a more advanced plan to repair this.
Lets hear it, smarty pants. Don't have one? Lets hear your presidential canidates plan, if you don't have one. What? He doesn't have one either? Ok then, lets hear your political parties plan. Nothing there either?
Hmmm, nothing in all three of those huh? Well then, maybe you shouldn't pretend to have the answer when it's obvious no one on your side of the arguement does.
Lets hear it, smarty pants. Don't have one? Lets hear your presidential canidates plan, if you don't have one. What? He doesn't have one either? Ok then, lets hear your political parties plan. Nothing there either?
Hmmm, nothing in all three of those huh? Well then, maybe you shouldn't pretend to have the answer when it's obvious no one on your side of the arguement does.
Whoow buddy calm down there! I said it was better and no I dont have a plan I just said we need to make one to fix this so our guys can come home. I never once claimed to have all the answers or say anything about "my party" as you put it. Come to think of it I never claimed to have a party or a canadate at all I think there both bad but its a lesser evil situation for me.
DivotMaker
05-14-04, 10:31 PM
I have watched the video. I watched the Nick Berg video. In the space of 3 days, I no longer have words to describe the repulsive and disgusting behavior of "human" beings....this world is going to hell on a greased skid and it is picking up speed.....
Im glad he is gone and it is a bit better now but we really need a more advanced plan to repair this.
Did you know that when you use the conjunction "but" you negate the statement before it? Here is an example. I am not a racist "but" I really don't like blah blah blah. Now that we understand why the conjunction "but" is used to negate a previous statement we can only assume that the only important part of your post is "we really need a more advanced plan to repair this." Lets look at this part of your post. Who is the "we"? you did not support the war in Iraq and you don't support the rebuilding of Iraq. Can we ascertain from this adjective "we" that you are now in support of the war in Iraq and the rebuilding effort? If this is so, then I am happy you are on our side now.
Still I am not convinced. We need to dig further into your post. I shall examine "need a more advance plan". First things first. How do you know "we" need a more advance plan? Are you a expert in this area? If so then why are you not in Iraq? If you are not an expert in "plans" then how do you know we need a advanced plan? I am confused so I will move on.
Finally we come to the last two words in your post, "repair this". Ok, what is "this" that we need to "repair? Is it the method of the executions in this video? I don't know but it seems to me every thing worked fine. there was nothing that I saw that was broken. The frag grenades worked fine. The prisoners died just as they were intended to. So I really don't see the problem here. Maybe you are talking about the link or the video. If the link did not work then maybe you might want to clear out your I.E. temp files and cache, because the link worked fine for me. If it is your Windows Media Player that doesn't work then maybe you should update your codec's. I found this is always helpful to start here when videos do not play correctly.
All in all you posted one of the more baffling post I have ever read. I am truly impress that you have me completely confused in only one sentence.
I award you with the Most Vague Post Award of the Week :thumbsup:
I have watched the video. I watched the Nick Berg video. In the space of 3 days, I no longer have words to describe the repulsive and disgusting behavior of "human" beings....this world is going to hell on a greased skid and it is picking up speed.....
I totaly agree does anyone else think god should have sent a flood by now??
Did you know that when you use the conjunction "but" you negate the statement before it? Here is an example. I am not a racist "but" I really don't like blah blah blah. Now that we understand why the conjunction "but" is used to negate a previous statement we can only assume that the only important part of your post is "we really need a more advanced plan to repair this." Lets look at this part of your post. Who is the "we"? you did not support the war in Iraq and you don't support the rebuilding of Iraq. Can we ascertain from this adjective "we" that you are now in support of the war in Iraq and the rebuilding effort? If this is so, then I am happy you are on our side now.
Still I am not convinced. We need to dig further into your post. I shall examine "need a more advance plan". First things first. How do you know "we" need a more advance plan? Are you a expert in this area? If so then why are you not in Iraq? If you are not an expert in "plans" then how do you know we need a advanced plan? I am confused so I will move on.
Finally we come to the last two words in your post, "repair this". Ok, what is "this" that we need to "repair? Is it the method of the executions in this video? I don't know but it seems to me every thing worked fine. there was nothing that I saw that was broken. The frag grenades worked fine. The prisoners died just as they were intended to. So I really don't see the problem here. Maybe you are talking about the link or the video. If the link did not work then maybe you might want to clear out your I.E. temp files and cache, because the link worked fine for me. If it is your Windows Media Player that doesn't work then maybe you should update your codec's. I found this is always helpful to start here when videos do not play correctly.
All in all you posted one of the more baffling post I have ever read. I am truly impress that you have me completely confused in only one sentence.
I award you with the Most Vague Post Award of the Week :thumbsup:
Ok I will keep this shor
t I never supported the war but thats a moot point now due to its already done but now that its "over" we need to rebuild.
"We" to me is the american people.
Im not in Iraq becouse I have a job and I already went to school but friends
and family members of mine are
We need a more advanced plan becouse the war has been over acording to bush for a year yet people die there every day there so we need to stop policing so much and start helping more (No I didnt say stop policing for now) by the way try reading without over analizing what are you my psycologist
So you say we need to stop policing so much and start helping more. How can you do that when everything you do is blown up?
Trust me I wont ever "analize" you. :D
No I am not your psychologist but I would like to be your therapist for a nominal fee.
You do realize I took great liberty with your post and had fun with it, don't you? ;)
So you say we need to stop policing so much and start helping more. How can you do that when everything you do is blown up?
Trust me I wont ever "analize" you. :D
No I am not your psychologist but I would like to be your therapist for a nominal fee.
You do realize I took great liberty with your post and had fun with it, don't you? ;)
Oh sweetie you would never be allowed to analize me but all I am saying is lets think of a plan most iraquis would like so bombing wont happen so much and let them pick there own leaders there really is no need for anyone to fight me or get angry I feel that the point I took on this was quite neutral well maybe not in the traditional sence but I did agree with both at some point and believe me I will let you know with rollyeyes or something when sarcasm comes about
gmontem
05-14-04, 11:42 PM
Warning graphic footage (http://www.vampireuk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/89D2~1.WMV)
Shame on us for spoiling their fun :rolleyes:
Can someone please post a spoiler about this video or PM me what's in it? Many thanks.
Oh sweetie you would never be allowed to analize me but all I am saying is lets think of a plan most iraquis would like so bombing wont happen so much and let them pick there own leaders there really is no need for anyone to fight me or get angry I feel that the point I took on this was quite neutral well maybe not in the traditional sence but I did agree with both at some point and believe me I will let you know with rollyeyes or something when sarcasm comes about
You called me sweetie. /blushes. Are you flirting with me?
The problem with you plan is that only the most powerfull and fantical faction in that country would take control and then we would have done all this for not.
You say we should think of a plan most Irqis would like. Well as I have posted in several posts with polling data to back it up, Iraqis want a democracy. They have been ruled by corrupt clerics and dictators for so long that the idea of a democracy is completely forgien to them. Still they want freedom. This is a basic desire of man.
Ok now we are at the point where we have to figure out how to impliment this plan. Well we have done that by gathering all the major leaders in Iraq and they have been hammering things out. The problem is these damn terrorists who do not want freedom. So how do we deal with them? YOU CRUSH THEM!
The only way to assure freedom is to protect it from those who wish to take it away. That can only be done through the use of force. There has never EVER been a end to a war through negotiating out peace. It has always been done through force until one side surrenders. This is why we have to CRUSH THEM!
Now if you have a better plan, please by all means let us know. I must warn you as I have said before, talking peace and negotiations have never worked at no point in history.
Nephilim
05-15-04, 12:56 AM
Now if you have a better plan, please by all means let us know. I must warn you as I have said before, talking peace and negotiations have never worked at no point in history.
Yep, it's never worked, so why start now?
Crush all who oppose us, yeah....okay. You might want to rethink that position, or is that one of the 10 commandments that I somehow missed?
1stFlight
05-15-04, 01:51 AM
You called me sweetie. /blushes. Are you flirting with me?
The problem with you plan is that only the most powerfull and fantical faction in that country would take control and then we would have done all this for not.
You say we should think of a plan most Irqis would like. Well as I have posted in several posts with polling data to back it up, Iraqis want a democracy. They have been ruled by corrupt clerics and dictators for so long that the idea of a democracy is completely forgien to them. Still they want freedom. This is a basic desire of man.
Ok now we are at the point where we have to figure out how to impliment this plan. Well we have done that by gathering all the major leaders in Iraq and they have been hammering things out. The problem is these damn terrorists who do not want freedom. So how do we deal with them? YOU CRUSH THEM!
The only way to assure freedom is to protect it from those who wish to take it away. That can only be done through the use of force. There has never EVER been a end to a war through negotiating out peace. It has always been done through force until one side surrenders. This is why we have to CRUSH THEM!
Now if you have a better plan, please by all means let us know. I must warn you as I have said before, talking peace and negotiations have never worked at no point in history.
Okay UDawg, how do you plan to "crush them" without alienating the rest of the indigenous population? Keep in mind these terrorists are very well mixed in the that population.
So what's your plan? No negotiations, no peace talks... just force? How well has that worked through history?
Nephilim
05-15-04, 02:27 AM
Okay UDawg, how do you plan to "crush them" without alienating the rest of the indigenous population? Keep in mind these terrorists are very well mixed in the that population.
So what's your plan? No negotiations, no peace talks... just force? How well has that worked through history?
Heh, I can give you one example. Hitler tried it with the Jews. He ended up dying in a ditch on fire next to Eva Braun and his country was divided in two for 50-60 years. A Winnar is yuo!1
Here's a few more names to think about Pol Pot, Stalin, Torquemada....to name a few.
vampireuk
05-15-04, 03:54 AM
Heh, I can give you one example. Hitler tried it with the Jews. He ended up dying in a ditch on fire next to Eva Braun and his country was divided in two for 50-60 years. A Winnar is yuo!1
Here's a few more names to think about Pol Pot, Stalin, Torquemada....to name a few.
owned:
Can someone please post a spoiler about this video or PM me what's in it? Many thanks
People having explosives strapped to them, forced to sit in a ditch and then they are blown up.
Okay UDawg, how do you plan to "crush them" without alienating the rest of the indigenous population? Keep in mind these terrorists are very well mixed in the that population.
So what's your plan? No negotiations, no peace talks... just force? How well has that worked through history?
Ok, so far they have broken every cease fire. Hmm those negotiations have worked out great haven't they? :clap:
How well has that worked through history?
How well has it worked. Let me see... WWII Germany was FORCE to surrender. WWII Japan was forced to surrender. Both armies were crushed. That is only the last century. Every war that ended with a winner has ended the conflicht. Seems pretty obvious to me. Here is a little comparison in the form of a question.
Why is it that what you are looking for is always found in the last place you look? The answer is, because you stopped looking after you found what you were looking for. This answer like the answer to war is obvious, YOU STOP THE ACTION WHEN YOU ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS and that is when this will all end.
2fast4u
05-15-04, 04:47 AM
That's not so bad, making some girl see them naked in a pile or getting bitten by a dog is at least 1000 times worse, I mean, who doesn't want to get blow up by a grenade? We are sooooooo bad. They were sooooo much better under Saddam, right?
MorAns. :rolleyes:
the "saddam was worse" argument is not a valid point here, not when carrying the banner of human rights before you.
vampireuk
05-15-04, 05:01 AM
The fact is people would rather point at a bad scrum and scream about that all day while ignoring what Saddam did entirely. It doesn't make it right but at least the people who did it are been punished.
silence
05-15-04, 05:19 AM
The fact is people would rather point at a bad scrum and scream about that all day while ignoring what Saddam did entirely. It doesn't make it right but at least the people who did it are been punished.
no Vamp. noone is ignoring what Saddam did, but when u use same methods in same prison and claim to stand for freedom, democracy and human rights... there is something wrong.
you did read that there were deaths of detainees classified as murder?...
thats the problem. Riptide made really good post not so long ago, one about perception of things there. and if US are seen as same then US will fail... and i dont think thats a good option, even thou i am strongly against what is going on there.
we are currently in situation where new policy is needed, but US failure isnt and shouldnt be an option.
vampireuk
05-15-04, 05:21 AM
The problem is though that when something like this happens nobody bothers looking at all the good done in the country, people should carry on rebuilding their country while the people responsible are punished, there is no point constantly going on about it as it will help nothing.
no Vamp. noone is ignoring what Saddam did, but when u use same methods in same prison and claim to stand for freedom, democracy and human rights... there is something wrong.
They did not use the same methods. Don't be silly you silly goose. I didn't see any frag grenades tied around prisoners necks. I didn't see any plastic shredders. I also didn't see any rape rooms. We do how ever see a gang bang but that was voluntary by that leash chick.
silence
05-15-04, 05:25 AM
The problem is though that when something like this happens nobody bothers looking at all the good done in the country, people should carry on rebuilding their country while the people responsible are punished, there is no point constantly going on about it as it will help nothing.
i acctually agree. it happened. things will change. some ppl will face trial. end of story.
rebuilding that country should be #1 priority, but with some photos not being published that leaves lots of possible "exclusives" for media to use in coming days... if i was in US govermant, i would give all the photos out and let the public see what was going on, while doing decent inquiry into everything.
keeping some photos for later is calling for trouble. with "new" and "exclusive" ones coming out every now and then.....
wrong decision if you ask me.
silence
05-15-04, 05:28 AM
They did not use the same methods. Don't be silly you silly goose. I didn't see any frag grenades tied around prisoners necks. I didn't see any plastic shredders. I also didn't see any rape rooms. We do how ever see a gang bang but that was voluntary by that leash chick.
i have you on ignore usually, but i wanted to read this one.
read what Riptide said about perception there. he is right. this was/is seen as same if not worse. logical?..nope....truth..yes.
you dont fight terrorrist and insurgents only, US is fighting against extreme prejudice about its goals there also... and thats why this was such a blow to US effort.
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