When will NV30 arrive?

[Monolyth]

It will arrive "The 6th Tuesday of Next Month"

Hehe, just kidding.

I think it will actually come out mid-December, but supplies will be so limited that it will be near impossible to get one. So I think mass-production will actually hit Mid January->Early Feb. Right around my Birthday, imagine that!

[Fotis]

For me the most interesting info has come from Creative Europe.
First of all they have minimized gf4ti4600 orders to MSI and have lowered its price.(IMO getting rid of their gf4ti4600's ).
Second, in their recent interview in www.guru3d.com they said that they wont be selling agp8x gf4's.
Third ,creative guy said in the interview that radeon 9700 will give the fastest 3dmark for the next 3 months ,indicating a november nv30 release since radeon 9700 came out in august.

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by Fotis

Third ,creative guy said in the interview that radeon 9700 will give the fastest 3dmark for the next 3 months ,indicating a november nv30 release since radeon 9700 came out in august.

It was a recent interview? I would have thought "next three months" would not be the same as "past three months," meaning that he probably was referring to now as the start of that three month period.

That would place the NV30 firmly in January, which has been my guess for quite some time.

[imtim83]

I don't care i just want it to come out so ATI can release a even faster video card then nvidia can release a even faster video card after that and so on !!! It is such a great time to be a gamer!!! Espically if ATI and Nvidia can outdo each other over the months with competition!!

[TheOneKEA]

Yeah, but what will the Ti4x00s cost when the NV30 appears? $200? $250?

[MikeC]

Originally posted by TheOneKEA
Yeah, but what will the Ti4x00s cost when the NV30 appears? $200? $250? I posted a story on the main page this afternoon that should give consumers an idea of where prices are headed.

"Aggressive pricing trends are likely to significantly hamper gross margins for the next 12 months, and most of the earnings adjustments result from lower profitability assumptions"

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by TheOneKEA
Yeah, but what will the Ti4x00s cost when the NV30 appears? $200? $250?

Since 4600's can be had for as low as $214 right now, I'd say they'll be under $200 after NV30 is available.

[sebazve]

WID:D

[GamblerFEXonlin]

Originally posted by imtim83
I don't care i just want it to come out so ATI can release a even faster video card then nvidia can release a even faster video card after that and so on !!! It is such a great time to be a gamer!!! Espically if ATI and Nvidia can outdo each other over the months with competition!!

This is so green, my eyes hurt. Yes, of course competition is good for you but we ALL KNOW IT ALREADY AFTER 1000 POSTS LIKE THIS.

Thanks.

Originally posted by maxpower
Warp2Search.net has some speculations from the German "Chip" magazine on the NV30 here:

http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=7740&mode=thread&order=0

I see polygon performance/vertex shaders are left out (again). No wonder doom3 is edgy and we'll never see detail like this (http://jooh.no/root/pix/Doom3/d3_high-model-01.jpg). The R300 is interesting with its quoted 325MTriangles/s but as they skimp down on the budget cards (9000 pro quoted 35M). Maybe there's a bottleneck somewhere else too (geometry over the AGP bus?) but we'll never see manufactorers work on that as it's never mentioned in reviews thus never a market for it?

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by GamblerFEXonlin
This is so green, my eyes hurt. Yes, of course competition is good for you but we ALL KNOW IT ALREADY AFTER 1000 POSTS LIKE THIS.

Thanks.

i agree



I see polygon performance/vertex shaders are left out (again). No wonder doom3 is edgy and we'll never see detail like this (http://217.8.136.112/root/pix/Doom3/d3_high-model-01.jpg). The R300 is interesting with its quoted 325MTriangles/s but as they skimp down on the budget cards (9000 pro quoted 35M). Maybe there's a bottleneck somewhere else too (geometry over the AGP bus?) but we'll never see manufactorers work on that as it's never mentioned in reviews thus never a market for it?

the reason it's blocky is because most of the T&L power is used for shadows

[borntosoul]

with both companies bringing out mid range dx9 parts why would anyone think about getting a gf4 4600 ?

[StaticXtra]

Im just interested in seeing where Joe is headed with this.
TIme's almost up! Whatcha hiding?

[Fotis]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
It was a recent interview? I would have thought "next three months" would not be the same as "past three months," meaning that he probably was referring to now as the start of that three month period.

That would place the NV30 firmly in January, which has been my guess for quite some time.
He meant three months from the launch of radeon 9700 if I understood correctly but you can read it yourself in case I misunderstood since I'm not a native speaker.The interview was taken in september.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by borntosoul
with both companies bringing out mid range dx9 parts why would anyone think about getting a gf4 4600 ?

both companies? we won't be seeing a midrange DX9 part from nvidia for quite a while yet, it will be at least a few months after NV30.

price can also become a factor. GF4s will invariably become cheaper after the R9500 line is introduced

[borntosoul]

yeh stealth i thought the same too but strong rumors suggested that theyre both comin out very close to each other ,to me it didnt make sence but they must have known that ati was releaing the 9500 and dicided to bring the midrange part out a bit quicker ,who knows

[Quinn1981]

well, whatever happens, looks like this christmas will be an excellent buying season for every price range. the poor people can get some graphics lovin' and the rich people can sweat bullets trying to get a NV30. :rolleyes:

[Joe DeFuria]

Im just interested in seeing where Joe is headed with this.
TIme's almost up! Whatcha hiding?

OK, it's been long enough, and the most recent posts seem to be getting off track. ;) This will probably be a bit of a diasappointment to some of you...I hope you weren't thinking I was going to reveal an actual "arrival" date. ;)

The "reason" for this thread is basically for a sanity check! Over in this thread:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2512&pagenumber=3

(Which is another "NV30 Launch" thread), Legion88 (Roscoe Sincero) made some arguments that were truly baffling to me, which actually caused me to register just to rebuke. Particularly this one:

Then Defuria twists the meaning of "arrives" to mean something completely different to what most people would think arrives would mean.

A product that has "arrived" is a product that I can buy right now (assuming it was not sold out). Paper releases don't cut it.


In a nut shell, Roscoe claims that I am "twisting" the meaning of "arrives"...because I said you can't just assume "arrives" means "available to the public for purchase." (For the record, we are focusing on the word "arrives", because that's the term used in this article http://news.com.com/2100-1040-896850.html?legacy=cnet&tag=lthd about the coming of a "new chip" from nVidia.

So, this thread was just to see exactly how people "interpret" the word "arrives." Am I right, or is Roscoe?

And as I suspected, as would anyone else who's not trying to force some agenda, different people interpert it different ways. Some see it as the product launch (Comdex), some see it as when "reviews are available", some see it as actually shipping. Some actually treated the question as "well, depends on what you mean by arrives"....which is exactly the point.

Perhaps it's time for Roscoe to think about who has the "agenda", and who's "twisting" facts and statements....

[jbirney]

Perhaps it's time for Roscoe to think about who has the "agenda", and who's "twisting" facts and statements....

Joe, Joe Joe.... tisk tisk tisk. How long has he been at this? And you think it will ever change? Hmmm I would bet we will see a Bitboys card playing Duke Nukem Forever before certian people think about their style or "agenda" :)

Please just joking around with this post..lighten up folks :)

[legion88]

For the record, here is the full quote:

Also on Monday, Nvidia raised its financial outlook for the just-ended quarter, and Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth. Some of that will come from a new graphics chip slated to arrive in August.


DeFuria claims we can't "assume" that arrive means we can buy it in stores.

Now riddle me this batman, how can an analyst claim that this "new graphics chip" would contribute to gains in market share if we can't buy the product?

How often does the market share of a company increase without us customers buying their product? How often does that happen?

[Bigus Dickus]

Fine, more evidence it's late. ;)

[1eppan]

Originally posted by nutball
When It's Done(TM).

this was last official word about Glaze3D project before they decided skip it and update the core to Axe which was canned by chip manufacturer.

I really wouldn't use these words.. they seem to be cursed.

[DadGT]

Originally posted by 1eppan
this was last official word about Glaze3D project before they decided skip it and update the core to Axe which was canned by chip manufacturer.

I really wouldn't use these words.. they seem to be cursed.

I think they may have used the trademark part for "Duke Nukem Forever" which is also shipping "When it's done." Of course, since we have yet to see anything but spiffy marketing 2 years ago for this game, the point is well served.

[Joe DeFuria]

Now riddle me this batman, how can an analyst claim that this "new graphics chip" would contribute to gains in market share if we can't buy the product?

Lol...Simplest riddle I ever came across.

Do you actually read those quotes you post?

Let me repeat the important part, and I'll add some emphasis for you.

..and Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth....

Let me spell it out for you:

The chip can "arrive" in August (whater arrive means), and as long as we can buy the product between August and the end of the year, everything is Kosher with what the analyst claims.

You know, for example, if the product was "announced" in August, and didn't actually start shipping until October. Some riddle...

Next...:rolleyes:

[LORD-eX-Bu]

I'm looking forward to the next thing ATI puts out now. I've had it with nVIDIA. Ever since I saw that 9700 running with DDRII on TechTV ATI won me over and proved to me that they are the leader and are on the ball. I mean, nVIDIA doesn't even have a DDRII part running right now, while ATI can go on TV and give demostration of the hardware. And they had multiple DDR II boards running in that room, so that means that they not only have the drivers for it, but that they feel confident enough in the hardware to make a few of them and show them off. Great job ATI!

[rocketmanx]

Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth....

A little naive to think this is a fact of some sort. It's a simple "speculation" (hence the word sees) to increase investor confidence so as to get stock prices back up this year. The speculation could turn into total bull' and it would be fine as they can write off any noshow by years end to product development problems and move right into next year. This shouldn't be seen as any sort of date estimate as they have already put up a lot of talk and vague statements as to the NV30's status. Things are still very vague as far as any NV chip in the past has gone. It's Mr. Huang's job as CEO to boost investor confidence and keep stock prices up, hard facts are more reliable.

Could still come by years end and prove me wrong but keep in mind how NV's stock has been the past 3 months. :( I bought some more a while back at $15 thinking it's a good buy considering past stock history but no, it's sucking as bad as it has since the company started. I speculate they may be in some financial "limbo" given their current state. (it doesn't take long for a major company like NV to go negative financialy without "X" cashflow each month)