Joe DeFuria
10-21-02, 10:55 AM
Roscoe,
You're really good for a laugh! ;)
..You would not be able to figure all this out if you didn't read the full quote. You will need the other sentence in the paragraph to be able to determine from context what Fried meant. Defuria was unable to muster enough energy to quote the other sentence in this two-sentence paragraph.
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Geezus...I provided a link to the whole article, Roscoe...must I repost the entire bloody thing here?
Here is the link AGAIN, to the WHOLE ARTICLE.
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-896850.html?legacy=cnet&tag=lthd
And in case you can't muster up the energy to click on the link, here is thw whole article quoted verbatim. And I'll bold face the entire portion of the article that's relevant:
Nvidia: Microsoft tiff tiny; new chip big
By Ian Fried
Staff Writer
May 1, 2002, 2:55 PM PT
SAN FRANCISCO--Playing down accounting issues and an ongoing pricing dispute with Microsoft, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said an upcoming graphics chip should help propel the company to continued growth this year.
Speaking on Wednesday at a chip conference here, Huang characterized the relationship with Microsoft as "very strong," adding, "We just asked a third party to help us solve some stuff."
Nvidia disclosed Monday that it was in arbitration with Microsoft over the pricing of its chips used in the Xbox, a move Nvidia said could either lead it to recognize additional revenue or force it to sell some chips at a loss--depending on how the issue is resolved. Microsoft's Xbox accounts for 15 percent to 20 percent of Nvidia's sales. Nvidia also said Monday it was restating its earnings for the past three years because of accounting issues.
In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Wednesday, Nvidia said the restatements will include accidental double booking of expenses, accounting judgments it concluded were incorrect, and other issues. However, Huang noted that the net effect of the restatements is that Nvidia's income for the three years in question was $1.3 million higher than previously reported.
Also on Monday, Nvidia raised its financial outlook for the just-ended quarter, and Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth. Some of that will come from a new graphics chip slated to arrive in August.
The new chip will be manufactured on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.'s latest 0.13-micron manufacturing process, Huang said. Huang did not reveal the name or specific features of the chip, but did say it was a fundamentally new architecture from the GeForce 4 Titanium introduced earlier this year.
"It is the most important contribution we've made to the graphics industry since the founding of this company," Huang said, speaking at the Merrill Lynch Hardware Heaven Technology Conference.
Huang also noted the inroads the company has made in the Macintosh market, saying that the company expects to have the largest share of that market "very soon." Huang said that Nvidia's chips are in the eMac that Apple Computer introduced Monday.
"You are going to see many more exciting introductions in that space," Huang said.
The company also plans a follow-on to its nForce chipset, which works with Advanced Micro Devices' Athlon processors but not with Intel's Pentium 4. Huang said the company will continue to focus on chipsets for that market, rather than pursue a license to work with Intel's chips.
Huang said the Athlon market represents about 30 million PCs a year, with Nvidia getting revenue in the "mid-$20s to mid-$30s" for each nForce chipset. Plus, he said, you don't have the risk of competing with Intel's own chipsets, as is the case in the Pentium 4 market.
Chipsets are companion processors that allow the microprocessor to exchange information with other parts of the motherboard, such as memory.
Huang said the company hopes it has the accounting issues behind it, noting that the process required a lot of time, as the company worked with forensic auditors from KPMG and lawyers from Silicon Valley firm Cooley Godward.
"The lawyers and auditors are in the process of moving out of the company," Huang said.
Gee, Roscoe, did I quote enough for you now? I still can't believe that you are trying to find some way to spin the report to mean anything other than the NV30 was suppossed to "arrive" in August, and contribute to maket share / growth this year. You know, a 0.13 micron chip that is not based on GeForce4 architecture, and is their "biggest contribution to 3D graphics since the founding of their company".
Defuria is a dishonest individual who tries to trick people with his selective quoting.
LOL! Select any quote from the above Roscoe...You really think anyone here is buying that crap you're trying to shovel?
Keep in mind that Defuria started this thread for a "purpose"....Look at what "tricky" Joe Defuria did recently. He started a new thread for the purpose of arguing over what was meant by "arrive".
LOL...and here you are arguing about the meaning of "that?" :rolleyes:
Um, how exactly was this "tricky?" I challenged your statement and simply let the public decide. Pretty fair of me, wouldn't you say?
Why don't you make your own "tricky thread", Roscoe? Go ahed and ask the public if they think Huang was talking specifically about the NV30 "arriving" in August. And ask the "public" if he meant it would contribute to "market share and growth" sometime between then and the end of the year.
Good luck.
Unfortunately for you, it doesn't appear that "most people" just assume "your" definition of arrives, and you can't even twist and selectively quote anything out of that article to make any sort of coherent case. Continued rambling just to get the "last word" in? Typical. You should know though, that considering the quality of your posts, you're best off at this point is to give up trying to get in the last word...because you're just looking more and more unreasonable with every post...
I guess that fact doesn't stop you from trying though. And I thought your credibility couldn't get any lower...
Defuria is simply a 3dfx fan who can't let go....3dfx is dead. Time to move on. I used to argue against this particular breed of 3dfx fans more than a year or two ago.
:rolleyes:
What 3dfx has to do with this I, and everyone else here, fails to understand. Just another attempt to try and divert your hopeless case to some fanboy rhetoric? Maybe if you make emotionally charged accusations enough, people might forget how ridiculous your spin actually is?
NV30 is late, Roscoe. Time to move on. We're all hoping NV30 is a great chip. Real 3D enthusiasts hope that NV30 crushes the R300 much like the R300 crushed the GeForce4. Then we hope the ATI follow-up crushes the NV30, and so on.
Competition is good.
Why for the life of me you have a problem "admitting" NV30 is late, is just baffling. It's late. It's just a fact. What is the purpose of denial?
You're really good for a laugh! ;)
..You would not be able to figure all this out if you didn't read the full quote. You will need the other sentence in the paragraph to be able to determine from context what Fried meant. Defuria was unable to muster enough energy to quote the other sentence in this two-sentence paragraph.
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Geezus...I provided a link to the whole article, Roscoe...must I repost the entire bloody thing here?
Here is the link AGAIN, to the WHOLE ARTICLE.
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-896850.html?legacy=cnet&tag=lthd
And in case you can't muster up the energy to click on the link, here is thw whole article quoted verbatim. And I'll bold face the entire portion of the article that's relevant:
Nvidia: Microsoft tiff tiny; new chip big
By Ian Fried
Staff Writer
May 1, 2002, 2:55 PM PT
SAN FRANCISCO--Playing down accounting issues and an ongoing pricing dispute with Microsoft, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said an upcoming graphics chip should help propel the company to continued growth this year.
Speaking on Wednesday at a chip conference here, Huang characterized the relationship with Microsoft as "very strong," adding, "We just asked a third party to help us solve some stuff."
Nvidia disclosed Monday that it was in arbitration with Microsoft over the pricing of its chips used in the Xbox, a move Nvidia said could either lead it to recognize additional revenue or force it to sell some chips at a loss--depending on how the issue is resolved. Microsoft's Xbox accounts for 15 percent to 20 percent of Nvidia's sales. Nvidia also said Monday it was restating its earnings for the past three years because of accounting issues.
In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Wednesday, Nvidia said the restatements will include accidental double booking of expenses, accounting judgments it concluded were incorrect, and other issues. However, Huang noted that the net effect of the restatements is that Nvidia's income for the three years in question was $1.3 million higher than previously reported.
Also on Monday, Nvidia raised its financial outlook for the just-ended quarter, and Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth. Some of that will come from a new graphics chip slated to arrive in August.
The new chip will be manufactured on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.'s latest 0.13-micron manufacturing process, Huang said. Huang did not reveal the name or specific features of the chip, but did say it was a fundamentally new architecture from the GeForce 4 Titanium introduced earlier this year.
"It is the most important contribution we've made to the graphics industry since the founding of this company," Huang said, speaking at the Merrill Lynch Hardware Heaven Technology Conference.
Huang also noted the inroads the company has made in the Macintosh market, saying that the company expects to have the largest share of that market "very soon." Huang said that Nvidia's chips are in the eMac that Apple Computer introduced Monday.
"You are going to see many more exciting introductions in that space," Huang said.
The company also plans a follow-on to its nForce chipset, which works with Advanced Micro Devices' Athlon processors but not with Intel's Pentium 4. Huang said the company will continue to focus on chipsets for that market, rather than pursue a license to work with Intel's chips.
Huang said the Athlon market represents about 30 million PCs a year, with Nvidia getting revenue in the "mid-$20s to mid-$30s" for each nForce chipset. Plus, he said, you don't have the risk of competing with Intel's own chipsets, as is the case in the Pentium 4 market.
Chipsets are companion processors that allow the microprocessor to exchange information with other parts of the motherboard, such as memory.
Huang said the company hopes it has the accounting issues behind it, noting that the process required a lot of time, as the company worked with forensic auditors from KPMG and lawyers from Silicon Valley firm Cooley Godward.
"The lawyers and auditors are in the process of moving out of the company," Huang said.
Gee, Roscoe, did I quote enough for you now? I still can't believe that you are trying to find some way to spin the report to mean anything other than the NV30 was suppossed to "arrive" in August, and contribute to maket share / growth this year. You know, a 0.13 micron chip that is not based on GeForce4 architecture, and is their "biggest contribution to 3D graphics since the founding of their company".
Defuria is a dishonest individual who tries to trick people with his selective quoting.
LOL! Select any quote from the above Roscoe...You really think anyone here is buying that crap you're trying to shovel?
Keep in mind that Defuria started this thread for a "purpose"....Look at what "tricky" Joe Defuria did recently. He started a new thread for the purpose of arguing over what was meant by "arrive".
LOL...and here you are arguing about the meaning of "that?" :rolleyes:
Um, how exactly was this "tricky?" I challenged your statement and simply let the public decide. Pretty fair of me, wouldn't you say?
Why don't you make your own "tricky thread", Roscoe? Go ahed and ask the public if they think Huang was talking specifically about the NV30 "arriving" in August. And ask the "public" if he meant it would contribute to "market share and growth" sometime between then and the end of the year.
Good luck.
Unfortunately for you, it doesn't appear that "most people" just assume "your" definition of arrives, and you can't even twist and selectively quote anything out of that article to make any sort of coherent case. Continued rambling just to get the "last word" in? Typical. You should know though, that considering the quality of your posts, you're best off at this point is to give up trying to get in the last word...because you're just looking more and more unreasonable with every post...
I guess that fact doesn't stop you from trying though. And I thought your credibility couldn't get any lower...
Defuria is simply a 3dfx fan who can't let go....3dfx is dead. Time to move on. I used to argue against this particular breed of 3dfx fans more than a year or two ago.
:rolleyes:
What 3dfx has to do with this I, and everyone else here, fails to understand. Just another attempt to try and divert your hopeless case to some fanboy rhetoric? Maybe if you make emotionally charged accusations enough, people might forget how ridiculous your spin actually is?
NV30 is late, Roscoe. Time to move on. We're all hoping NV30 is a great chip. Real 3D enthusiasts hope that NV30 crushes the R300 much like the R300 crushed the GeForce4. Then we hope the ATI follow-up crushes the NV30, and so on.
Competition is good.
Why for the life of me you have a problem "admitting" NV30 is late, is just baffling. It's late. It's just a fact. What is the purpose of denial?