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ford442
05-21-04, 10:04 PM
hello people!
i think i've narrowed my search down to two cards i can afford - one is the Gainward "1100XT Golden Sample" it's a 5900XT and claims to have 450 core / 780 memory
on the other hand i've found the PNY Verto 5900 clocked at 400 core / 850 memory for the same price as the XT
(mag)
so - i can't determine which might be faster,. i also saw a card for a little more money that had DDR2 memory clocked at 700mhz.. should i check into that one further?
thanks for any input!!
:jammin:

zer0xp
05-21-04, 10:49 PM
the card that you saw with ddr2 memory was probably a geforce 5700 ultra...You wouldnt wanna give up a 5900 for one of those. anyway, i would go with the Gainward Golden Sample, even though it's an XT. I do not like PNY, having 2 of their 5900s fail on me. I'm not sure about gainwards warranty, but PNY wouldnt honor your warranty on a 5900 Non ultra because they're out of production.. (someone correct me if i'm wrong) But anyway, I say go with the gainward because they're a good company and theres not much difference in performance between the xt and the NU, if there is, the OCed core of the golden sample should make up for it.

ford442
05-21-04, 11:10 PM
ok... good advice!! i will wait for another respose or two though..
but here - it is a 5900XT 128 with DDR2 - http://www.gamepc.com/shop/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=GamePC+Online+Products&category%5Fname=Video+Card&product%5Fid=3D%2DMSI5900XT%2DVTD

bkswaney
05-21-04, 11:14 PM
Get the fastest clocked 5900 you can afford and then
overclock the dog crap out of it for best performance. ;)
The higher u can get the 5900 to clock the better it performs.

ford442
05-21-04, 11:46 PM
well.. i am buyin this card to replace my old one which may be giving me instability due to past overclocking... :fu:
but are you recommending i get the 5900 or the 5900XT version whcih already has the 450 core??

zer0xp
05-21-04, 11:59 PM
I think that's a typo.. as far as i know, there are no 5900XTs with DDR-II ram... anyone??
What type of video card do you have now?? i say go with the GS man.. Gainward all the way ;)

ford442
05-22-04, 12:05 AM
i'm still usin a Gainward CARDEXpert GeForce2 Ti :angel2:

oh - but why would that card be over $200 if it were a 5700? i've found a 5700 ultra GDDR3 for about $175...

zer0xp
05-22-04, 12:07 AM
:\ lol ... that's not what i meant. i meant Gainward 5900xT... i was actually gonna buy one of those, the golden sample one too, but i decided to buy some ram instead. oh well. Sucks being broke :P

zer0xp
05-22-04, 12:07 AM
No it's not a 5700, it's a 5900XT/SE... but it's DDR1 memory, not 2

kev13dd
05-22-04, 12:08 AM
I vote get the XT at the higher clock speeds, if its the same price. It might overlock only a little higher than the other XT, cause odds are the Gainward is only higher because of a little overl****. I think the XT and normal 5900 run ALMOST the same, althought the normal 5900 has a tad faster ram. Although the higher clock speeds might even those two out to pretty much the same. I've also heard the XT overlocks a little bit better too, but that's not a 100% sure thing. I vote go XT!

K

ford442
05-22-04, 12:17 AM
cool! i am definately leaning toward the XT.. but one thing is funny - the 5900 has a little image calling it's GPU an Ultra..!
here - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=617440&Tab=0&NoMapp=0
all the other cards are correct.. they say XT or SE or whatever they are.. but i have just read that ultra cards have 450 clocks... (daz)

thanks for all the quick responses! this is fun.. :spongebob
goin to do some UT2004 with friends now.. be back later.. :rw:

zer0xp
05-22-04, 12:26 AM
Glad i could help... come back and post the results when you get ur Golden sample, cuz i might buy one too :)

ClosetFanBoy
05-22-04, 12:33 AM
if u can snag a 5900u for about or around a 5900xt price wise, i would jump all over the 5900u. you could do a bios flash and basically have yourself a 5950. but i am also leary of pny. my last pny card flat out died within a year.

zer0xp
05-22-04, 01:38 AM
my last pny card flat out died within a year.
same here....

ChrisRay
05-22-04, 01:55 AM
Get the 5900 Non Ultra @ 400/850 and OC it to 450/850 You'll likely take the ram to 900 mhz since its 2.2ns Ram

The Gainward ram isnt likely to hit the higher clock speeds, Most 5900 Cores tend to scale the same. Ram doesnt. So get the one with the better ram.

ford442
05-22-04, 01:57 AM
gee.. sry to change subject a bit - but it looks like the next step up would be the Ultra and/or 256 meg right?
anyone know what difference 256 meg would make?
if i could find an Ultra for under $300 i would definately consider it..
see - i have the cash.. but no bank account.. i use my grandma's account to order stuff.. and i know she can get stressed out over money.. she lived durring the depression after all..
currently drooling over this mutha of a card - http://www.gameve.com/gve/store/productdetails.aspx?sku=VC-LEAD-010 :wimp:
hmm.. back order.... i'll look for it elsewhere... ain't it cool looking..?!?

ford442
05-22-04, 02:06 AM
ChrisRay - i am in general scarred of overclocking anymore... do you think the NU 400/850 might beat the 450/780 XT in any case? i will look for a non-PSY card as well as hunt down this A350 thing.. hehehe... i see it at one place in stock.. but it's over $400 there!

ChrisRay
05-22-04, 03:06 AM
ChrisRay - i am in general scarred of overclocking anymore... do you think the NU 400/850 might beat the 450/780 XT in any case? i will look for a non-PSY card as well as hunt down this A350 thing.. hehehe... i see it at one place in stock.. but it's over $400 there!



400/850 will be slower than 450/780 IMO.

But I have never seen a 400/850 that cant do 450/850

ford442
05-22-04, 03:08 AM
cool... ok! thanks for gettin back to me!!
and you are corrcet - found a benchmark showing the GS performing better than the reference 5900!

ChrisRay
05-22-04, 03:17 AM
400/850 will be slower than 450/780 IMO.

But I have never seen a 400/850 that cant do 450/850


Your best bet is to compare your fill rates, , Grr hang I'll do a test with my machine.

ford442
05-22-04, 03:24 AM
oh! i've found a benchmark already! no need to tie up your machine!!
also - i give up on the 256 megs and the ultra deal... it's definately not worth an extra $100 to me.. :-)

ChrisRay
05-22-04, 03:32 AM
Ok, Fill Rates

For the Various Modes.

FX 5900 Clocked @ 450/900

Single Texturing -- 1668

MUltitexturing -- 3296


@ 400/850


Single Texturing - 1507

Multitexturing -- 2949


450/780

Single Texturing -- 1560

Multitexturing -- 3211



Anyway, I still think you should get the 400/850 one and just set the clocks to 450/850 and forget about it, Just my 2 cents :)

zer0xp
05-22-04, 03:46 AM
i say stay away from pny man.. Say one day you plan to change those clock rates and BAM your card dies. Dont look at PNY to replace it for you. they'll tell you
1) you overclocked
2) we dont make it anymore, so our lifetime warranty doesnt cover it.
Anyway, your choice from here...

ford442
05-22-04, 03:47 AM
alright.. time for bed.. tomorrow i'll look more for another non-PNY non-ultra non-XT 5900! :thinker:

Lfctony
05-22-04, 03:54 AM
The normal 5900 will do I think, you will probably manage to raise the core to at least 440, which will be at least close to the 450 of the other 5900XT. But, you get much better memory, so I think its a better all round deal.

**Edit** Can't you get a 9800 Pro at the given price? I would consider it a better deal.