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Hello everyone, I was gonna ask if anyone knows where I can buy a Fx5800U. Also I wanted to know if my 2.2ghz 512 RAM will stop the card from doing what its capable of.
Also is there any faster card I can buy for under 200$ that are as good or maybe even better then the Fx5800U.
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Intel17
05-28-04, 10:55 PM
STAY AWAY FROM THE 5800!! The 5900's are down to a good price snatch one of those :)
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STAY AWAY FROM THE 5800!! The 5900's are down to a good price snatch one of those :)
To answer your original question, Waltar has a 5800Ultra for $170 on the FS/FT board.
The only 5900 you'll likely get for that (new anyway) is an XT, and it won't be much, if any, faster unless you OC it. You can get 9700Pros for less than $200, they'll be faster at DX9, slower at most non AA/AF, and about the same up to 4x8x.
It would be quieter though.
Nonetheless, loving the 5800Ultra I've been using.
Assuming you want a new (as in not used), i would say go for the 5900XT... The leadtek version is nice because a lot of them come with 2.2ns ram (for that extra memory OC :D) lol.
For around 200 flat you can get a Radeon 9800 Pro which should give you some decent performance compared to today's cards. 5900 XT or 9800 Pro, they're both good cards, but out of all cards under 200, those are the ones you want to look at for some good performance.
Oh and your PC has enough power to get the most out of both of these cards.
I'd go with the 5900XT, cause its gonna be in the same league as the 5800U without AA/AF, and faster with high levels of AA/AF.
But most importantly, the 5800U is friggin loud, even at idle, while the 5900XT is very quiet.
Even better, go with the eVGA 5900SE (400/700) $189 which is faster than the XT
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-179&depa=0
XanderF
05-29-04, 01:11 AM
Some feller is selling new XFX 5900XTs on eBay for $165 shipped ($15 shipping, and $149.99 Buy-It-Now price).
I just got one of them. Although he is advertising '390/700' for the clocks - he obviously just copied his item description down from the XFX webpage.
Most early XFX 5900XTs had 800 mem clock, and the one I got did, as well. Stock memory cooling - no vMod or anything - nVidia's "auto detect" feature gave me 960 on the memory.
His name is belohocel if you want to check it out. Still has 20 available as of the moment I'm writing this.
(Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)
saturnotaku
05-29-04, 04:43 AM
(Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)
It would have to be faster than that because the 5800 runs DDR-2 which has higher latency than the 5900's "older" DDR-1.
So yes, grab a 5900XT or a 9800 Pro if you're not adverse to trying an ATI card.
I'd go with the 5900XT, cause its gonna be in the same league as the 5800U without AA/AF, and faster with high levels of AA/AF.
But most importantly, the 5800U is friggin loud, even at idle, while the 5900XT is very quiet.
Even better, go with the eVGA 5900SE (400/700) $189 which is faster than the XT
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-179&depa=0
So much misinformation from one person!
I don't know what you consider "high levels of AA/AF" but the 5800U is going to be on par with 5900SE/XTs at playable settings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-13.html#unreal_tournament_2003
At UT2003 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 54.4fps, the 5900XT got 47.6fps. That's losing by 15% Ruined.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-14.html
At Nascar Thunder 2004 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 37.3 fps, the 5900XT gets 32.4, again losing by over 15%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-15.html
Huh. At Call of Duty 10X7, 4X8X, the 5800U is poundng the 5900xt AGAIN. 5800U=45.2fps, 5900XT=39.7
:rolleyes:
The 5800U is "friggin loud, even at idle"?! That's pretty amazing considering the FAN DOESN'T EVEN RUN AT IDLE. What's making the "frigging loud" noise, Ruined? The 5800U is dead silent when not running games.
Why is the 5900SE better ruined? I checked at newegg, the 5900XTs are all at 390/700, except the MSI which is at 400/700. Do you really think 10MHz on the core is going to make a difference? :screwy:
XanderF:
Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)
Notice the 5900XT losing pretty badly to the 5800U in links above. Sure about your statement, have any links to back it up? :clap:
In that THG article, the 5800U beat the 5900XT at 9/10 benchmarks no AA/AF, and at all three 4x8X benches by a good margin, even with it's 128 bit memory. What up, guys, looks like my 5800U is displaying some ownage on the XTs?
I am going on vacation now, but you guys are owned:
5800U :headbang:
BTW- before you start posting, "well the 5800U would start losing at higher resolutions and detail settings", note those framerates and how you wouldn't really want your average much lower?
ChrisRay
05-29-04, 08:57 AM
So much misinformation from one person!
I don't know what you consider "high levels of AA/AF" but the 5800U is going to be on par with 5900SE/XTs at playable settings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-13.html#unreal_tournament_2003
At UT2003 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 54.4fps, the 5900XT got 47.6fps. That's losing by 15% Ruined.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-14.html
At Nascar Thunder 2004 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 37.3 fps, the 5900XT gets 32.4, again losing by over 15%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-15.html
Huh. At Call of Duty 10X7, 4X8X, the 5800U is poundng the 5900xt AGAIN. 5800U=45.2fps, 5900XT=39.7
:rolleyes:
The 5800U is "friggin loud, even at idle"?! That's pretty amazing considering the FAN DOESN'T EVEN RUN AT IDLE. What's making the "frigging loud" noise, Ruined? The 5800U is dead silent when not running games.
Why is the 5900SE better ruined? I checked at newegg, the 5900XTs are all at 390/700, except the MSI which is at 400/700. Do you really think 10MHz on the core is going to make a difference? :screwy:
XanderF:
Notice the 5900XT losing pretty badly to the 5800U in links above. Sure about your statement, have any links to back it up? :clap:
In that THG article, the 5800U beat the 5900XT at 9/10 benchmarks no AA/AF, and at all three 4x8X benches by a good margin, even with it's 128 bit memory. What up, guys, looks like my 5800U is displaying some ownage on the XTs?
I am going on vacation now, but you guys are owned:
5800U :headbang:
BTW- before you start posting, "well the 5800U would start losing at higher resolutions and detail settings", note those framerates and how you wouldn't really want your average much lower?
Naw. I'll just start posting practically every 5900XT can do 50 mhz more. and some up to 75 mhz more ;p
Thanks to everyone for the replys, one last Q tho. Does anyone have a link for a cheap 5900XT that I can OC hell? :)
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saturnotaku
05-29-04, 10:57 PM
Does anyone have a link for a cheap 5900XT that I can OC hell?
BFG Tech makes one that comes OC'd right out of the box. Those are available at your local big box retailer (Best Buy, et al). Else you can check out Newegg.com for some FX5900XT/SE (SE is the same at XT) cards. Any of those cards should OC about the same. How well a card OC's will be dependant on the specific one you get, regardless of brand. You might get an eVGA (for example) that doesn't OC so well but someone else with the exact same card will get great speeds out of it.
Here's a link to the leadtek i told you about in my previous post, most if not all have 2.2ns memory which should guarantee you a killer memory OC. Core OC should be as good as any other XT (if you get one that OCs well). Cooling is decent too, even though it doesnt look like it.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-122-183&depa=0
The 5800U is "friggin loud, even at idle"?! That's pretty amazing considering the FAN DOESN'T EVEN RUN AT IDLE. What's making the "frigging loud" noise, Ruined? The 5800U is dead silent when not running games.
I _owned_ the ASUS 5800 *non*-ultra and even without the blower on it the annoying high pitched whine of its turbine fan at idle got to me in less than 30 minutes. I sold it on eBay ASAP and luckily got what I paid for it. It sucked, the 5900 non-ultra was a much better card - it ran cooler, ran much, much quieter both at idle and at full go, and is better suited for high res aa/af and dx9. I would rather use a GeForce FX5200 64-bit card than a 5800U/NU just because the annoying whine of the turbine of the 5800 would mean me not wanting to sit at my computer for more than 20 minutes even just using the internet.
And I'll lose 5fps over that annoying idle whine or the WOOOOSH during gameplay any day of the week. Then again, play a DX9 game at high res AA/AF and I don't think you'd want the 5800U over the 5900 that much anymore. :)
Thanks for the fast reply guys.I ordered the Leadtek version of the 5900XT. Any chance that prices might drop soon so I can get a better 5900 series card for around $200..?
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????? What would be a "better" 5900 series card??? SEs adn XTs are the only 5900s u can get now, well, besides the used and left-over stock 5900NUs
????? What would be a "better" 5900 series card??? SEs adn XTs are the only 5900s u can get now, well, besides the used and left-over stock 5900NUs
5900 Ultra... I was thinking since the Nv40's are gonna be coming out soon maybe the prices for the lower end cards will drop.
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TBH I don't know how much you'd be gaining with a 5900U. Anyplace a 5900XT chokes enough to be choppy the 5900U would probably choke, too. I mean its the same technology with lower clocks and less ram, no pipeline, shader, or any other differences.
Can someone answer my original question about the price drop? if its gonna happen or no when the Nv40's ship. Also will my P4 2.2ghz--PC2100 512MB keep the card from whats it capable of doing?
TBH I don't know how much you'd be gaining with a 5900U. Anyplace a 5900XT chokes enough to be choppy the 5900U would probably choke, too. I mean its the same technology with lower clocks and less ram, no pipeline, shader, or any other differences. Gotta agree with that, Btw how man pipelines does the 5900XT have?
Gotta agree with that, Btw how man pipelines does the 5900XT have?
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Can someone answer my original question about the price drop? if its gonna happen or no when the Nv40's ship. Also will my P4 2.2ghz--PC2100 512MB keep the card from whats it capable of doing?
I think its more likely the 5900U will be phased out (price doesnt always drop when this happens), and you will have:
MX4000 - $50
FX 5200 - $75 (64-bit)
FX 5200 - $90 (128-bit)
FX 5700 - $130
FX 5700 Ultra - $150
FX 5900XT - $190
6800 - $299
6800GT - $399
6800 Ultra - $499
6800 Ultra Extreme - $549
You CPU is fine for the 5900XT, and would be fine for the 6800 non-ultra (12x1) as well... if you can wait a few weeks and can spend $300, go for that, it will trounce the 5900xt.
My CPU will definantly limit the 6800 preformance... I really should of said that I need this card for a couple of months till I get a new rig with the new NV40's.
EDIT: Btw right now I'm using a Fx5200 and some games just plain rape this card to death even OC'd. I got my Fx5200 300/500 but its just not working out for some games.
My CPU will definantly limit the 6800 preformance... I really should of said that I need this card for a couple of months till I get a new rig with the new NV40's.
EDIT: Btw right now I'm using a Fx5200 and some games just plain rape this card to death even OC'd. I got my Fx5200 300/500 but its just working out for some games.
It will limit the 6800NU, yeh, but in many DX9 games (read: FarCry, Half Life 2) I think you'd still see a vast improvement with the 6800NU over the 5900XT due to its much faster shader performance. Plus the 6800NU also has got much better AA quality. For $100 more you can get the 6800NU and put it in your machine now, then move it to your new machine when you get it, and use it to hold you over until NV45 is cheap :)
I would do exactly as you put it ruined, but the problem is.... I just cant wait any longer :( lol... Im going for a 9800 pro this week, instead of the 6800NU and using that while the price of the 6800 ultra comes down
It will limit the 6800NU, yeh, but in many DX9 games (read: FarCry, Half Life 2) I think you'd still see a vast improvement with the 6800NU over the 5900XT due to its much faster shader performance. Plus the 6800NU also has got much better AA quality. For $100 more you can get the 6800NU and put it in your machine now, then move it to your new machine when you get it, and use it to hold you over until NV45 is cheap :)
Thanks alot for your reply Ruined.I wish I could of bought an 6800 but all I got is around $200 right now. I guess I have to go with the Leadtek 5900XT and OC it, until I get my money for the new rig.
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