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NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:07 PM
Hello, Im new

Im stuck between buying a Gainward GeForceFX 5900XT for £130 (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=123904&cks=SER)

or a Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 Pro or £140 (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=122901&cks=SER)

now before everyone starts replying with "go for ****" there is some points id like to come across

1. In my 2 computers, they have all had nvidia graphics cards...TNT2> GeForce 2 MX200 in the first and a Ti4200 W/ AGP8X>5600 256MB in the other, the only problems I have had with any of them is that after 3 years my TNT2 finally burnt out

2. Ive never seen a ATi graphics card in action. I have not seen the image quality or how well it performs

3. Ive never owned a ATi graphics card

4. In some tests the 2 cards are either at level or one is faster than the other..and

5. Alot of game developers are optimizing games Nvidia graphics cards i.e Splinter Cell Pandora Tommorow, Painkiller, UT2004 Game List (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_twimtbp_gameslist.html)

Help me please

p.s why do games that say The Way Its Meant To Be Played sometimes run btter on ATi cards i.e Far Cry...shoudnt they drop that and give it to ATi if it runs bettr on ATi?!

Xplode
06-02-04, 03:27 PM
I think that sapphire is 128 bit, I just got a Leadtek Fx5800Xt and it works sweet!! I jumped from 800x600xmed to 1280x1024xhighestx4aa/8af in Raven Shield. jumped from 840x640xlow 1024x768xhighest 4aa/8af in Splinter Cell:Pandora Tommorow, yes the numbers are pretty impressive.

Xplode

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:35 PM
Xplode what are your system specs

mrgoodcheese
06-02-04, 03:39 PM
The two cards are comparable in performance, but

a 5900XT's reliable nVidia drivers + better game compatibility = the better choice.

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:41 PM
i play FPS like UT2003 + 2004, Far Cry and the like, and the 9800 Pro beats on Far Cry, but no on UT2003+04

OWA
06-02-04, 03:43 PM
I wouldln't put too much stock in either of the marketing campaigns. Like you noted already, it's not consistent with one card winning all the time. In general though, I think the standard rule of thumb applies, ATI is usually better at DX9 games while nVidia is usually better at OpenGL games (and older DX games).

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:45 PM
Another thing that coms in to consideration is the Half Life 2 Beta benchmarks?!
5900 Ultra 37FPS
9800 Pro 60FPS

and what makes it worse is that the 5900XT is less powerful than the 5900 standard!

simonuk
06-02-04, 03:47 PM
The 256bit Radeon 9800 Pro is an excellent video card however the 128bit ones are imo no match for the FX5900 XT!

simonuk
06-02-04, 03:49 PM
Another thing that coms in to consideration is the Half Life 2 Beta benchmarks?!
5900 Ultra 37FPS
9800 Pro 60FPS

and what makes it worse is that the 5900XT is less powerful than the 5900 standard!

why are you even mentioning software which isn't even available?

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:53 PM
sorry, just thought it would come into thought

Xplode
06-02-04, 03:54 PM
Im pretty sure thats the 128bit version.

Oh and Nev2k4 I have P4 2.2Ghz 512mb Pc2100.

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 03:56 PM
Im pretty sure thats the 128bit version.
is the the 9800 pro you are talking about

simonuk
06-02-04, 04:06 PM
sorry, just thought it would come into thought

Sorry for biting your head off, bad day in work today! :(

Although it's important to make sure your next video card will run future games okay results using beta software are very unreliable. ATI sponsored Valve to make sure that Half Life 2 was optimised like crazy for ATI hardware and I doubt they spent half as much time optimising for Nvidia hardware.

rewt
06-02-04, 04:09 PM
Since when is there a 128-bit 9800 pro? Did you mean 128 Megabyte, as in 128MB RAM? These two concepts are totally different.

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 04:10 PM
ATI sponsored Valve to make sure that Half Life 2 was optimised like crazy for ATI hardware and I doubt they spent half as much time optimising for Nvidia hardware
I never knew that...ah well

NeV2k4
06-02-04, 04:11 PM
from what i am seeing i think i might go or the 5900XT...But then in a few days time i will read something that will me ake me go for the 9800 Pro

rewt
06-02-04, 04:15 PM
The 9800 pro will be faster than 5900XT, no question about it. The only nVidia cards that can beat a 9800 pro right now is a 5900NU (flashed) or above. But the question is, will the 9800 be as reliable as the 5900XT? My opinion and from experience, probably not.

muzz
06-02-04, 04:25 PM
why are you even mentioning software which isn't even available?

I agree, but since D3 gets mentioned constantly( which as of the last leak NV creamed Ati) I think it's reasonable to mention.

muzz
06-02-04, 04:26 PM
Sorry for biting your head off, bad day in work today! :(

Although it's important to make sure your next video card will run future games okay results using beta software are very unreliable. ATI sponsored Valve to make sure that Half Life 2 was optimised like crazy for ATI hardware and I doubt they spent half as much time optimising for Nvidia hardware.

Ok do you have any proof of this?

Xplode
06-02-04, 04:32 PM
there is a sapphire pr that has 128 bit not MB, I dont remember which version it is... Ill try to find it. 9800pro will be faster if its the 256bit version. I just went with 5900xt cause 1.its cheaper 2. DV 3.I only need this card for 2 months..

r2d2d3d4d5
06-02-04, 04:54 PM
This card has the same part number as the 256bit version. Not sure if the 128bit version has the same part number though. Not sure if Komplett are using the right part number either.

You should probably write to them and ask. At least then you will have something in writing so if they say it's the 256bit version and they send you the 128bit version you can ask for a refund.

Omega53
06-02-04, 05:00 PM
The two cards are comparable in performance, but

a 5900XT's reliable nVidia drivers + better game compatibility = the better choice.


(spit)

simonuk
06-03-04, 04:15 AM
Ok do you have any proof of this?

No I don't have proof it is just speculation, I doubt ATI paid Valve millions for them to give their competition (ie nvidia) any performance advantage.

The whole HL2 marketing scam which showed nvidia video cards performing very poorly compared to ATI is all the proof you should need?

HL2 was due for release in Sep 2003 and ATI was selling video cards with HL2 vouchers. As if by magic Valve release benchmarks showing how poorly nvidia video cards compare to ati video cards when running HL2.

How many extra video cards did ATI sell with that marketing stunt?

muzz
06-03-04, 06:52 PM
I personally don't believe it was a stunt myself, but thats OK it's JMO.
Radeons go to a standard, so it should use standard calls.

gordon151
06-03-04, 07:35 PM
No I don't have proof it is just speculation, I doubt ATI paid Valve millions for them to give their competition (ie nvidia) any performance advantage.

The whole HL2 marketing scam which showed nvidia video cards performing very poorly compared to ATI is all the proof you should need?

HL2 was due for release in Sep 2003 and ATI was selling video cards with HL2 vouchers. As if by magic Valve release benchmarks showing how poorly nvidia video cards compare to ati video cards when running HL2.

How many extra video cards did ATI sell with that marketing stunt?

Somehow I weigh your speculation below Gabe Newell's own comments that they spent more time tweaking the NV3x path vs. any path for R3x0 hardware. Wonder why...