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kuzujanakis
10-17-02, 12:34 PM
Hello,

I am looking to buy a P4 and MB with DDR support (I currently own 1 gig of pc2700) and I want opinions on what to buy. I am looking for at least the 2.53 P4 but don't want to exceed $300. How overclockable are these chips? Also, I need opinions on the motherboard and chipset to go with. What is the fastest and the most stable?

Any and all opinions welcome!

Thanks!

LORD-eX-Bu
10-17-02, 02:56 PM
P4 2.53 Ghz doesn't cost over $240 if you are a good shopper. If I were you I'd go with the 2.4 Ghz, not much of a difference between the two in performance, but the 2.4 Ghz 533 Fsb model costs $190 instead of $240. They overclock very well depending on your cooling and on your motherboard and its chipset. I would avoid the Asuss P4S8x motherboard, those seem really bad. But you can't go wrong with Abit or ECS or MSI. The MSI boards tho need pretty good cooling on the northbridge to be able to overclock good. You should have no problem with any of them since you are running just PC2700 DDR.

DaveW
10-17-02, 06:29 PM
I would avoid the Asuss P4S8x motherboard,

YES!!!!

kuzujanakis
10-17-02, 06:30 PM
What is wrong with the Asus board?

DaveW
10-17-02, 06:38 PM
Its unstable.

read this thread http://www.asusboards.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24611

Riptide
10-17-02, 07:57 PM
Furthermore, I would avoid the Abit as well. In fact, if you go SiS648 you should consider a gigabyte or aopen. Everything else seems suspect right now though I hear the MSI is OK. Check the asusboards forums as the above poster recommended. Chalk full of great information, especially about the 648 chipset which seems to be a winner when you get a good one.

LORD-eX-Bu
10-17-02, 08:20 PM
Yeah, if you don't care for price, I'd go for the Aopen 648 MAX board, if you want to pay less(but more accessories) go for MSI 648 MAX. Just don't expect to overclock that one that much with standard cooling.

Fotis
10-18-02, 08:52 AM
The best mobos for overclocking are the new intel 845pe(agp/pci lock).Go to Anands and check them out,rock stable and very fast.
I just bought a pentium4 2.4b c1 stepping with a gigabyte 845pe mobo.
3ghz here I come!!!!!:D ;)

DaveW
10-18-02, 09:59 AM
Well I have seen a few problems with the Gigabyte board, for example - see here (http://www.asusboards.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=26281). Though nothing like the problems people reported with the P4S8X.

I see nothing but praise for the AOPEN board (AX45-8XN) so far. I will be ordering one from mwave.com once Newegg approve my RMA.

This will be my first purchase based entirely off forum comments and not at all off hardware reviews.

Fotis
10-18-02, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by DaveW
Well I have seen a few problems with the Gigabyte board, for example - see here (http://www.asusboards.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=26281). Though nothing like the problems people reported with the P4S8X.

The link you provided is about a sis645 gigabyte mobo not the 845pe

DaveW
10-18-02, 02:35 PM
I know, I was thinking about the other board. The 845PE board is off my list because it doesn't have AGP 8X.

Fotis
10-18-02, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by DaveW
The 845PE board is off my list because it doesn't have AGP 8X.
AGP8x=0% performance gain over AGP4x!!!

DaveW
10-18-02, 03:10 PM
Maybe for a GF4 running 3D Mark, but for Doom 3 and an NV30, AGP 8X will make a difference.

StealthHawk
10-18-02, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Fotis
AGP8x=0% performance gain over AGP4x!!!

almost, but not quite :D it can offer a few percentage points(read: very few)

LORD-eX-Bu
10-18-02, 05:31 PM
Dave, once you get the board tell me what you think of it, if you like it then I am gonna order one.

DaveW
10-18-02, 06:58 PM
Newegg approved my RMA today and say there will be no restocking fee. nice!

I already ordered an AX45-8XN from mwave. Since its 50 bucks cheaper than my P4S8X was, I used the extra to pick up a Fortissimo III 7.1 from Newegg :)

Will let you know how it goes.

LORD-eX-Bu
10-18-02, 07:33 PM
Yeah, I know, the prices at mwave are pretty low. I mean, I only paid $78 for my motherboard and like $18 for 2nd day shipping I think it was. And I got the bluetooth thing for my motherboard, along with the S-bracket and D-bracket that are optional and are usually not bundled and at other places they wanted as much as $140 for the same board.

Riptide
10-19-02, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by DaveW
Well I have seen a few problems with the Gigabyte board, for example - see here (http://www.asusboards.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=26281). Though nothing like the problems people reported with the P4S8X.

I see nothing but praise for the AOPEN board (AX45-8XN) so far. I will be ordering one from mwave.com once Newegg approve my RMA.

This will be my first purchase based entirely off forum comments and not at all off hardware reviews.
Reviews were the reason I got burned on the p4s8x. From now on I trust only the forums.

You can't go wrong with that aopen.

gravioli
10-20-02, 06:38 PM
I am using an ASUS P4PE based on the Intel 845PE chipset. I couldn't ask for a better board. It's very stable and performs quite nicely even with my cheapo-generic DDR333 RAM.

DaveW
10-20-02, 08:29 PM
I heard that ASUS P4PE is good too... I just won't buy another ASUS board :)

LORD-eX-Bu
10-20-02, 09:07 PM
Dave, once you get your board in and running and all you gotta tell me what you think of it, and if it has Hyperthreading option, cuz if you like it I'm gonna RMA this one and buy the Aopen from mwave. LOL, thats where I got this one from too, ahahaha.

DaveW
10-22-02, 08:38 AM
Will do, probably won't be here till thursday.

DaveW
10-24-02, 09:32 AM
Godammit! The Asus P4S8X was unstable but atleast it booted. This freaking AOPEN AX45-8XN was DOA. I just order a Gigabyte 8SG667 from mwave express over-night shipping. If mwave ship it today I should get it tomorrow.

I was holding onto the P4Sux until the AOPEN board got here but I will have to return it soon before my RMA expires. I have never had to return anything before, now I have two RMAs in one week. By the time I get a stable system I would have spent almost 100 bucks on shipping.

If the Gigabyte doesn't work I am giving up and buying an Apple mac.

pelly
10-24-02, 10:13 AM
I've had soem bad luck with Asus and Gigabyte.....

Never had a problem with any of the MSI boards I've bought......as such, I ordered an MSI board for my new system...

Great performance and price......quality to match...

:D

LORD-eX-Bu
10-24-02, 12:02 PM
Wow that sucks. I guess I will not buy an Aopen AX45-8x from mwave then.