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anzak
06-04-04, 12:42 PM
Here is my situation, I have about $300 to spend on a video card upgrade from my 9600XT. My two options are a Sapphire Radeon 9800XT refurbished for $325 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-323R&depa=0 or wait for this BFG 6800oc 128mb which should retail for $300 and will be avaliable in August http://bfgtech.com/6800OC.html .

9800XT pros:
256mb of memory (Farcry already drops off with 128mb of memory 9800 128 vs 256 16x12 here http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_ati/page6.asp )
Faster memory (730MHz vs. 700mhz)
Avaliable NOW

Geforce 6800 pros:
12 pixel pipe design for higher fill rate
Shader Model 3.0

Im thinking that the 128mb of memory will hurt me in Half Life 2 (Maxed out textures) and S.T.A.L.K.E.R, both of which use really high res textures. So with that said, what do you think I should do?

Sazar
06-04-04, 12:43 PM
nv40 between those 2... no-brainer...

anzak
06-04-04, 12:49 PM
nv40 between those 2... no-brainer...

Meh, you posted the same time I submitted the thread and had no time to look at the info I have provided. 128mb of memory is already hurting performance by 40% in farcry at high res with AA. Please, don't be bias and blindly chose one over the other without looking at the facts first.

Sazar
06-04-04, 12:52 PM
Meh, you posted the same time I submitted the thread and had no time to look at the info I have provided. 128mb of memory is already hurting performance by 40% in farcry at high res with AA. Please, don't be bias and blindly chose one over the other without looking at the facts first.

hmm... well since you put it that way...

Originally Posted by Sazar
nv40 between those 2... no-brainer...

but since you are obviously leaning towards the 9800XT... go for it.. just don't gripe when you see higher frame-rates on the nv40 due to improved architecture (more pipes) and feature-set (though thats more a buzz-word than anything else)

also keep in mind the TYPE of memory being used before just jotting down the specs :)

stncttr908
06-04-04, 12:57 PM
Why would anyone ever buy a 9800XT when they could get a 9800 Pro 256MB and flash it? The 9800XT is the biggest waste in recent memory.

anzak
06-04-04, 12:58 PM
but since you are obviously leaning towards the 9800XT... go for it.. just don't gripe when you see higher frame-rates on the nv40 due to improved architecture (more pipes) and feature-set (though thats more a buzz-word than anything else)

No, im not. It's just that you stated an opinion without even looking at the links I have provided.

also keep in mind the TYPE of memory being used before just jotting down the specs :)

Both used DDR and are probably rated at the same speed.

Jarred
06-04-04, 01:05 PM
I'd say the pick is obvious, ...

Sazar
06-04-04, 01:14 PM
No, im not. It's just that you stated an opinion without even looking at the links I have provided.

Both used DDR and are probably rated at the same speed.

you're right... I didn't look @ the links you provided because the choice is obvious to me :)

saturnotaku
06-04-04, 01:18 PM
you're right... I didn't look @ the links you provided because the choice is obvious to me

Me, too. :)

anzak
06-04-04, 01:23 PM
My question is this, do you think 128mb of memory will hurt performance in any of the up coming games (Half-Life 2, Doom3, STALKER)?

Sazar
06-04-04, 01:26 PM
I think it will make somewhat of a difference... but look @ the graphic you posted wrt the 9800XT...

@ playable fps you are unlikely to see a difference... only when you keep cranking up LOD with greater filtering will the extra mem make a difference and even then you have to take into account the 12 pipes v/s the 8 pipes...

I am sure you would rather play games on a 9800pro wirh 128mb mem than a 9600pro with 256mb... see where I'm going?

yes it sounds like a toss-up but @ the same time the nv40 is likely to be a better card... then again I have not seen a version like the one you listed (yah I finally checked the link) so I am not 100% sure... but based on the information we all have available right now i think its a better option for you...

piranha
06-04-04, 01:29 PM
Well if you look at benchies the only benchie where the 256 mb radeons really pull ahead in Far Cry is at 1600x1200 with aa and aniso. At that setup they are up to 30 % faster. But the frame rates are to low anyway for these cards and at lower res there is hardly a difference.

Fact is that the 9800 seems to be to slow to really take advantage of 256 mb of RAM or any of the old gen video cards. With the new gen I guess the difference in modern games like Half Life 2, Far Cry will be huge though.

saturnotaku
06-04-04, 01:32 PM
The extra pipelines of the X800/6800 will come in handy. There's a big difference between the 8 pipelines of the 9800 and the 12 of the X800 Pro, especially in Far Cry.

dan2097
06-04-04, 01:34 PM
Remember to consider an x800/pro though if they turn up in the same price range when you come to buy your new card (I voted 6800nu)

The 256mb would be nice to have but I dont think its a big enough problem yet at the settings you will be playing at to go for the 9800XT in favour of the 6800nu

dan2097
06-04-04, 01:36 PM
The extra pipelines of the X800/6800 will come in handy. There's a big difference between the 8 pipelines of the 9800 and the 12 of the X800 Pro, especially in Far Cry.

Theres also a nice clock speed advantage as well, 475 vs 412.

The 6800nu actually has it the other way, rumours are indicating clock speeds around 325-350mhz IIRC, but then again the pixel shader units on the 6800nu appear to be able to do more per clock than competing ones on the r3xx/4xx

anzak
06-04-04, 01:37 PM
Your probably right about the 9800 cards being to slow to take advantage of the 256mb of memory. Plus the fill rate advantage for the 6800 non ultra is huge, 4200 vs. 3296 gp/s.

Riptide
06-04-04, 02:59 PM
I voted for the ATI. Someone had to! :D

Lfctony
06-04-04, 03:21 PM
I would go for the 6800, and if you worry about the 256MB of memory, just get a 6800 with 256MB. I know Gainward are offering one, others will do it as well.

anzak
06-04-04, 03:48 PM
I would go for the 6800, and if you worry about the 256MB of memory, just get a 6800 with 256MB. I know Gainward are offering one, others will do it as well.

The 6800 non ultra cards will not be available with 256mb of memory, only 128. :wtf:

cthellis
06-04-04, 03:58 PM
Frankly, it depends on your gaming preference. If you want to play in a fashion that will roll over the 128MB then you may well cause a performance loss that will outweight the architectural gains...

But regardless, I don't think the 9800XT is a great idea right now--not for that price. If you're already spending $325 on a card, why not scrouge up the extra cash for an X800 which would pretty much assuage your worries regarding RAM and pixel-pushing?

Otherwise, I'd wait for more performance comparisons first. You'll gain the best perspective, not to mention cards like the 9800XT will be forced down as the newer cards get more and more common.

anzak
06-05-04, 10:17 AM
I've decided to go all the way and wait for the 6800GT like everyone else in the forum :D For $400 and can easily overclock to ultra or ultra extreme levels.

muzz
06-05-04, 10:27 AM
I've decided to go all the way and wait for the 6800GT like everyone else in the forum :D For $400 and can easily overclock to ultra or ultra extreme levels.

Wise choice IMO

Lfctony
06-05-04, 12:03 PM
The 6800 non ultra cards will not be available with 256mb of memory, only 128. :wtf:


http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=300441&cks=SER

You were saying?

There's also the 128Mb model for less:

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=300442&cks=SER

zer0xp
06-05-04, 04:01 PM
Or you can just do like i did, but a 9800 pro for 200 and use that until the GT is for sale... :D

anzak
06-05-04, 05:22 PM
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=300441&cks=SER

You were saying?

There's also the 128Mb model for less:

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=300442&cks=SER

Thanks for the links :thumbsup: If I remember correctly nVidia said (at the 6800 launch) that the card would only support 128mb of memory :screwy: . Anyways the $300 price tag does not justify the performance difference between the nu and GT or X800p.