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auto_ptr
06-12-04, 05:17 PM
Heya,

I'm interested in buying an NVIDIA card (because of several game compatibility issues with my 9700 Pro)... and was wondering, which should I buy - assuming I don't want to really spend in excess of $300USD...

Geforce 6800NU:
- This is less expensive than the 6800Ultra, but is it less powerful than the 5900Ultra, 5950Ultra etc?

FX5950 Ultra:
- If this is more powerful than the 6800NU, will I have to wait for it to get cheaper?

FX5900 Ultra:
- I could try finding this for around $200USD... but is it worth buying?

The only reason I don't want to go for the 6800Ultra is because of expense, really.

I currently have the following:
P4 2.5ghz 533mhz FSB
Intel 845E
1024mb DDR266
Radeon 9700 Pro
300W PSU (This should be fine for a 6800NU?)

(Also planning on upgrading motherboard soon to an 875P and later, processor to 2.8ghz 800mhz FSB HT and ram to DDR400).

Thanks in advance for any replies

kahloq
06-12-04, 05:26 PM
No, the 6800 NU is not slower then fx5900 or 5950. So per cost, get the 6800 NU. All benchmarks released so far has still put the 6800 NU at least 25% faster then 9800XT and fx 5950as well as compareable to x800pro. Plus 6800 NU will also support pixel shader 3.0(shader model 3.0). Fx5950, fx5900 and all ati cards do NOT support that.

The difference with 6800 NU and the GT or Ultra(besides price) is that the 6800 NU is using 12 pipelines instead of 16 and the core clock and memory clock is lower then either GT or Ultra.

That does not preclude the fact that you can overclock the 6800NU some as well. Especially if you preorder an evga one, they have an upgraded fan for those that preorder. GO here:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?Part_Number=128-A8-N343-AX

It says in stock, but lower in the page it says preorder and will ship july 1st.

wilson
06-12-04, 05:27 PM
Wait for PCI-Express

auto_ptr
06-12-04, 05:33 PM
Heya,

Thanks for the reply - I have just one more concern:
The NU has only 128MB memory, whereas most cards seem to turn out with 256...

Assuming I go for the 6800NU, should I wait for one with 256MB - or will there only be 128MB cards in which case I should just pre-order now?

Thanks,

kahloq
06-12-04, 05:34 PM
That requires buying a pci-express mobo and many either dont wanna wait or dont have the extra cash to buy both vid card and mobo. He stated he wanted to buy for $300 or less. Waiting for pci-express will up his cost by at least another $125 or more.

wilson
06-12-04, 05:39 PM
he did say he plans to upgrade MB, CPU and mem though

put that $300 under your matress and wait till your planned MB upgrade

kahloq
06-12-04, 05:49 PM
PCI-express will not add that much additonal performance. The pci-express nvidia chips will be using a bridge chip. Basically its an nv40 with a pci-to agp bridge. Also, even after you upgrade cpu, etc, its going to be the cpu that in the end is the limiting factor to some degree.

As far as I know, the 6800 NU will be 128mb. I am unaware of plans for a 256mb model, but they probably will enventually, you never know.

Honestly tho, Id recommend the GT. It has the same amount of pipes as the ultra(16) for $100 less. Its also going to depend on how fast pci-express gets mainstream adoption from the masses(including system builders). If it doesnt take hold right away, Nvidia's plans for pci-express are lauch dates in Q1 of 05. If pci-epxress takes hold faster, they plan on releasing it q3 or 4 of 04.

Again, Id recommend the GT. It has 256mb already, has 16 pipes and is the best bang for the buck.

As with any new tech, refering to pci=express, there is bound to be some initial issues in the first releases. Best advise is get the GT AGP version. It will definetly last you 3-4 yrs, especially since its running the 16 pipes.
In the end tho, its your choice.

wilson
06-12-04, 06:01 PM
PCI-express will not add that much additonal performance. The pci-express nvidia chips will be using a bridge chip. Basically its an nv40 with a pci-to agp bridge. Also, even after you upgrade cpu, etc, its going to be the cpu that in the end is the limiting factor to some degree.

Right, that's the nVidia marketing you are buying into. Like they're gonna tell people to wait for the PEG. PEG has twice the bandwidth of AGP8X. I bet the NV40 core is not limited to 2.1GB/s interface.

kahloq
06-12-04, 06:07 PM
Right, that's the nVidia marketing you are buying into. Like they're gonna tell people to wait for the PEG.

Please dont make assumptions man. It has nothing to do with nivida marketing. What I stated has everything to do with countless reviews, by both PRO nvidia and somewhat not so friendly review sites. Dont turn this into a flame. The guy asked for oppinions and you as well as I gave ours. I gave additonal info which can easily be found on the web to aid his decision. It is HIS decision, not yours or mine. If you wish to wait, by all means do so. But thats your oppinion and dont go accusing someone of falling for propaganda when you have no clue.

Rollo
06-12-04, 06:19 PM
Sheesh. Like I'd wait for PCIExpress. :rolleyes:

wilson
06-12-04, 07:11 PM
I don't believe anyone has tested a PEG 6800 so it's all speculation at this point.

Rollo, some people are not as fortunate as you who can afford to buy a card whenever a new one comes out.

Riptide
06-12-04, 07:13 PM
PCI Express is overrated w/rg2 graphics cards. They aren't really bandwidth starved in that area, i/o is much more important on the card itself (ie, memory onboard). AGP has always been to some degree a gimmick.

Riptide
06-12-04, 07:13 PM
Rollo, some people are not as fortunate as you who can afford to buy a card whenever a new one comes out.
You can always sell a kidney. :p

wilson
06-12-04, 07:18 PM
PCI Express is overrated w/rg2 graphics cards. They aren't really bandwidth starved in that area, i/o is much more important on the card itself (ie, memory onboard). AGP has always been to some degree a gimmick.

My situation is a little different because of the resolution I run at.

Cota
06-12-04, 07:33 PM
It will take a while for PCI express to replace AGP

not only we have to see a performance difference between AGP and PCI xpress, but also DDR and DDR2.

Until that happens people will keep the tried and true AGP.

Sometime next year the shift to PCIxpress will start I think

SH64
06-12-04, 08:02 PM
I'd say the 6800NU . & dont mind the PCI-E .. it wont be widly used until the end of this year .