Opteron defective?

[EDWARD TIVRUSKY]

Linky (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16683)

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6471&stc=1

Edit: I just noticed that the title was incorrect, The WHOLE architecture is defective!

[nutball]

Oh goodie.

/me waits for the couple of hundred terabytes of AMD v. Intel fan-boy ranting poised to hit the Interweb :bash: :zzzz: (aaa)

[Gator]

Linky (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16683)

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6471&stc=1

That just sucks! :rolleyes:

The good news is that they think a simple BIOS update can be pretty effective to resolve this issue :)

[r2d2d3d4d5]

If you follow that link through to the AMD side you will see that AMD64 have a variety of bugs. The question is how likely is it that this bug (or any of the other bugs) is actually going to crop up in every day use. Most of these bugs actually turn up in a very specific set of situations that the majority of users never experience.

[nutball]

If you follow that link through to the AMD side you will see that AMD64 have a variety of bugs. The question is how likely is it that this bug (or any of the other bugs) is actually going to crop up in every day use. Most of these bugs actually turn up in a very specific set of situations that the majority of users never experience.

All processors have bugs.

[Gator]

All processors have bugs.

Case point: P4 Prescott runs hot as hell. I'd definetly consider that a bug.

[saturnotaku]

I'd definetly consider that a bug.

More of a design defect IMO. At least there might be a fix with the Opteron whereas there won't be any sort of fix for the current Prescotts.

[EDWARD TIVRUSKY]

An update: For all the doubters... another linky! (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/22/amd_opteron_glitches/) Looks like this one is legit. :)

[harl]

Opteron has a bug
so what?
Do you knon how many bugs a Pentium or athlon have?

Programers may use workarounds, and the new steps (microcode
revisions) will fix that.

(If you use Linux you can see a list of bugs and if your CPU have them)

[GlowStick]

Hm, i knew something like this would come out.

Before i bought my FX-53, i just knew from previous experinces that all amd chips have some bug, they allways have. My athlon mp system would crash all the time in linux untill i disabled the extended paging, then it suddenly was 100% stable. Howerver, i agree i will not be effected by this at all.

[-=Gib-McFragger=-]

More of a design defect IMO. At least there might be a fix with the Opteron whereas there won't be any sort of fix for the current Prescotts.

My Prescott is not running hot, HOTTER than my Northwood did, but not hot. :screwy:

[Sazar]

if they can fix this with bios updates thats good :)

opterons being server solution cpu's are obligated to run reasonably trouble-free and stable...

btw yah the older prescott's ran hot... design issues and clocks perhaps but the newer ones apparently have fewer thermal issues and if gib and his blue balls can run it cool than I'm sold :cool:

[harl]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16774

Right Only a bios update is neded

[sxotty]

First AMD were the people that found the bug, and like they said they have a work around. Second as they say And such a combination was likely only to occur when people were creating code in assembler, and not when using compilers, said AMD

Third
Link (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16733)
CHIP GIANT Intel has issued an erratumnotbug notice for its premier IA-64 Itanium 2 microprocessor.There's some new ones in here. It says it has updated a work around for Bug 61 but Bug 60 looks a tad more interesting, and we reported on it last year. It doesn't affect Madisons, just McKinleys.

So as you can see bugs are prevalent and intel has their fair share.

And there are plenty more that intel knows about but are kept private, b/c unless some website spills the beans why tell everyone you have problems?

P4 bugs (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5149)

Another indication
xbit (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20030407062442.html)
Apparently, Intel’s Pentium M processor currently has fewer errata than any other mobile or desktop CPU from Intel launched throughout the last decade. As I discovered over the weekend, Pentium M presently has only 14 known errata, while the Pentium 4 counts for more than 73 errata, Intel Pentium III has 83 or more errata, the Pentium II features 92 errata and the original Pentium processor has 72 errata, though, most of Pentium’s errata were eventually fixed.

[r2d2d3d4d5]

Numerous bugs reported in Intel Prescott Pentium 4 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16823)

Just in case there are any doubters left. (daz)

[Sazar]

who cares what bugs the intel processors have? how is that relevant to the opteron having a defect?

seriously speaking how logical is it if you build a server utilising opteron cpu's and then read about intel bugs? seriously?

does that help? are you somehow now informed about all the amazing qualities of an opteron now that you have read about intel's defects?

whats even more ludicrous is the number of people posting pentium II's, III's and prescott and M solution information while not putting up itanium and xeon info... THAT at least would be pertinent...

so the opteron has a bug/bugs.. we know about it.. amd has now informed us about it and they have proposed and are implementing a workaround for it... kudos to them..

perhaps some of us can stop with the "oh look, a bug in pentiums too" thinger coz its really not going to change the fact that the opteron does indeed have a bug...

<end rant>

[nutball]

Eh? Err, yeah, but some people obviously don't know that all processors have bugs (it's one of the industries dirty little secrets).

[r2d2d3d4d5]

The point is that all processors have bugs. What is important is how likely is it that this bug, or any other bug, is going to affect your computer experience and to what extend.

[Son Goku]

seriously speaking how logical is it if you build a server utilising opteron cpu's and then read about intel bugs? seriously?

does that help? are you somehow now informed about all the amazing qualities of an opteron now that you have read about intel's defects?

whats even more ludicrous is the number of people posting pentium II's, III's and prescott and M solution information while not putting up itanium and xeon info... THAT at least would be pertinent...

From a planning perspective, there can be some logic, if one is comparing bugs, to see which one's might likely effect one. True, one is probably not comparing a Pentium II against anything today however, and same with a Pentium III. At that rate, one could bring up the FDIV or F00F design flaws in the original Pentium...

This said, I think Intel has done a very good thing making their respective errata sheets available on their website...and unless something has changed that I'm not aware of, I haven't seen the equivalent on AMD's website. There could be something there now, however...

I have seen people make this comparison before, among others, when it came to a matter of deciding which platform to go with in the end.

[EDWARD TIVRUSKY]

The title was incorrect: fixed :cool:

Sorry! :o

[r2d2d3d4d5]

The title was incorrect: fixed :cool:

Sorry! :o

Hm. It still says Opteron defective on the index page and at the top of this page. :confused:

[Lezmaka]

wow, 1 bug, AMD's engineers must really suck.

:retard: :retard:

Prescott has over 20 bugs that Intel doesn't plan to fix.

As of June 2004, Athlon64/Operton only has 7 bugs that AMD doesn't plan to fix.

But I guess when a chip have so few bugs left to fix, when one is actually found, it's big news.

[EDWARD TIVRUSKY]

It's just to let the people know that there are bugs in AMD64, when they buy a new amd proc. BTW, I like AMD, so it isn't a fanboy thing. :) :fanboy: I would definitely like to know what i am buying, good and bad, so i can make an informed decision. I usually don't just go for brand names, but i do buy stuff i know more about and like. (salute)