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Pantherman
06-21-04, 12:47 PM
This is old news, but is the 5900 that much better than the 5900XT. I've seen some reviews where they were very close. The 5900 is clocked at 400/850 while the 5900XT is somewhere around 400/700, but the 5900XT is newer. Which would you rather have. I advised someone to get the 5900XT since the 5900 is no longer available.

saturnotaku
06-21-04, 12:52 PM
If you can find a non-XT 5900, get that. The extra memory bandwidth will come in handy, and it should be able to be overclocked to at least 5950 speeds.

simonuk
06-21-04, 01:25 PM
I don't think there is much of a performance increase between a 5900xt and a 5900, I've seen alot of early 5900xt's overclock to 5950 speeds as well!

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 01:36 PM
5900NUs blows 5900XTs away, period. I can clock my 5900NU to 5950U speeds and get similar performance. You can't do that with an XT. You are comparing a $200 card when it was new to a $400 card when it was new. If i didn't already have my 5900NU that's what i would be trying to get instead of a 5900XT. You can pick up a 5900NU for $200 or less, a new 5900XT will cost around the same, you'd be insane not to get a 5900NU if you can find one.

grimreefer
06-21-04, 01:51 PM
non ultra

anzak
06-21-04, 03:55 PM
Radeon 9800 pro http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-238&depa=0 only $206 w/ free shipping at newegg. If you care about any of tomorrows game (or far cry) then go with the 9800 pro because it has much faster shader performance than the 5950.

lIqUID
06-21-04, 04:58 PM
hmmm weird I didnt see 9800 pro mentioned in the original posters question, maybe I need to reread it :rolleyes:

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 05:55 PM
Radeon 9800 pro http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-238&depa=0 only $206 w/ free shipping at newegg. If you care about any of tomorrows game (or far cry) then go with the 9800 pro because it has much faster shader performance than the 5950.

And if you care about more of tomorrow's opengl games and still have pretty kickass dx9 support go with nvidia :P

ChrisRay
06-21-04, 05:57 PM
The Non Ultra is roughly 5% Faster, But more likely to hit Ultra speeds.

I cant see any reason to get an XT over a 5900 Non Ultra.

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 06:01 PM
btw i play farcry with my fx5900NU with max details settings and 8x aniso and i get an avg of 36-40fps(very playable) in 1024/768 reso. The only problem NVIDIA has with farcry is the banding issue which is cryteks fault not nvidias and due to be fixed in a patch.

anzak
06-21-04, 06:29 PM
btw i play farcry with my fx5900NU with max details settings and 8x aniso and i get an avg of 36-40fps(very playable) in 1024/768 reso. The only problem NVIDIA has with farcry is the banding issue which is cryteks fault not nvidias and due to be fixed in a patch.

But at a performance cost. Im not saying the FX 5900's are bad cards just that they don't compare to the 9800 IMO.

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 06:31 PM
hmmm weird I didnt see 9800 pro mentioned in the original posters question, maybe I need to reread it :rolleyes:

Heh look at his sig, doesn't it bug ya when someone who doesn't own either card tells ya how good they are? lol

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 06:33 PM
But at a performance cost. Im not saying the FX 5900's are bad cards just that they don't compare to the 9800 IMO.

Yeah my fx5900 can run any OpenGL app about 10-15% faster than a 9800 pro and has similar performance to a 9800 pro in many dx 9 games. 9800 pro cards do have their weaknesses as does nvidia's offerings. I play alot of opengl games why would i want a card that's inferior?

jAkUp
06-21-04, 06:36 PM
The 5900 had terrible DX9 performance. I owned these 3 cards, a 5800U, a 5900, and a 9800 Pro. My 9800 Pro was so much better than my 5900.

My 6800U however blows all of them away :D :D

Also, there are way more D3D games than OpenGL games

anzak
06-21-04, 06:38 PM
Yeah my fx5900 can run any OpenGL app about 10-15% faster than a 9800 pro and has similar performance to a 9800 pro in many dx 9 games. 9800 pro cards do have their weaknesses as does nvidia's offerings. I play alot of opengl games why would i want a card that's inferior?

Yes. Every card has it's pros and cons but the cons outweigh the pros on the FX cards. How about CoD thats an Open GL app http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-05.html

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 06:50 PM
Ya know what? I have lots of dx9 games that look great and play great on my fx5900, terrible is a pretty harsh word to appply to a card just cause it runs a game 5-10 fps slower. I can put up reviews with benches all day and I won't see one game my fx5900 can't run decently. I can play COD just fine too. I've never seen an opengl game a ati card runs better than an nvidia card. SWG was one of the very first dx9 games to hit the market and my FX5900 runs that game beautifully with shadows on, something the ati cards had trouble doing.

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 06:52 PM
Yes. Every card has it's pros and cons but the cons outweigh the pros on the FX cards. How about CoD thats an Open GL app http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-05.html

Yeah 122 fps is just terrible isn't it. I don't know if i could manage to play that at all.( adds lots of sarcasm)

anzak
06-21-04, 06:53 PM
Ya know what? I have lots of dx9 games that look great and play great on my fx5900, terrible is a pretty harsh word to appply to a card just cause it runs a game 5-10 fps slower. I can put up reviews with benches all day and I won't see one game my fx5900 can't run decently. I can play COD just fine too. I've never seen an opengl game a ati card runs better than an nvidia card. SWG was one of the very first dx9 games to hit the market and my FX5900 runs that game beautifully with shadows on, something the ati cards had trouble doing.

Like I said before, the 5900 is not a bad card. I just don't think it will hold up when PS heavy games show there face (far cry is the first good example).

jAkUp
06-21-04, 06:54 PM
Well, I dunno. I had a 5900.. and I sold it in 1 month. My 9800 Pro just looked so much better, and ran much smoother in UT2003, Splinter Cell, and FarCry which runs in DX8 path on 5900 cards.

I really doubt a patch is gonna fix FarCry since its not the game, its the card. The DX9 path on NV3X cards is so slow, there really isn't much you can do. Anyone remember the HL2 benchmarks? I really doubt Gabe was trying to cut out most of his market. I met him, he's a nice guy.

anzak
06-21-04, 06:55 PM
Yeah 122 fps is just terrible isn't it. I don't know if i could manage to play that at all.( adds lots of sarcasm)

I never said that 122 fps was slow or unplayable. You said that the 5900 was faster in EVERY OPENGL APP and I was only proving you wrong.

lIqUID
06-21-04, 06:59 PM
Heh look at his sig, doesn't it bug ya when someone who doesn't own either card tells ya how good they are? lol

exactly... or someone who suggests a TOTALLY different card, not even answering the question that was originally posted. Thats like me saying well heck the 6800 GT is way better DX9 performance so tell him to get that! nobody asked about the 9800 Pro TO BEGIN WITH.

Im not too sure on the availability of the 5900 NUs, Im sure you could check pricewatch or whatever and find them still around. I cant speak for the 5900 XT, but I do own a 5900NU and its a good card, I run all my games @ 4xAA, 10x7 and usually max detail, well except for Farcry but I dont play that plastic crap :D

jAkUp
06-21-04, 07:00 PM
The only reason anz suggested it is because it is in the same price range. If you can get better for the same price, why not? Makes sense to me.

I think its funny how fanboys only wanna hear about their card like its the only card in existance. A 9800 pro is better for the money. Talk to people that know, or have owned both, such as me.

anzak
06-21-04, 07:01 PM
The only reason anz suggested it is because it is in the same price range. If you can get better for the same price, why not? Makes sense to me.

Thank you.

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 07:03 PM
Well, I dunno. I had a 5900.. and I sold it in 1 month. My 9800 Pro just looked so much better, and ran much smoother in UT2003, Splinter Cell, and FarCry which runs in DX8 path on 5900 cards.

I really doubt a patch is gonna fix FarCry since its not the game, its the card. The DX9 path on NV3X cards is so slow, there really isn't much you can do. Anyone remember the HL2 benchmarks? I really doubt Gabe was trying to cut out most of his market. I met him, he's a nice guy.

I play farcry just fine at high detail settings and 8x aniso with very acceptable fps. Other than the banding that crops up(which is a game issue not nvidias fault) i can hardly see any difference when compared to 9800 pro screenshots.

I don't really play lots of fps games. Farcry is about the only one. Many of the games i do play NVIDIA has better performance in. Sue me, i bought a card that runs the games " I play" better. I hated HL1 i definitely won't be playing HL2. Doom 3 i will most likely buy as i was a doom fan when the original came out. Nvidia cards will run that game flawlessly.

I can play any unreal title with excellent fps. Hell the fx cards won many benches in UT2003.

And i will never ever go back to the driver shuffle i had to do when i owned ATI cards. I literally had a 3 disk set of nothing but ATi drivers so i could swap on the fly when i wanted to play a different game. ATi users still have to do that.

I was very happy with my FX purchase last year and i still am and don't regret it for a second. ATI doesn't win in every game or even 50% of them on the market. Buy the card that runs the games you play best not what runs the games billy joe bob at review site X plays.

Helanic Frost
06-21-04, 07:10 PM
I never said that 122 fps was slow or unplayable. You said that the 5900 was faster in EVERY OPENGL APP and I was only proving you wrong.

But at a performance cost. Im not saying the FX 5900's are bad cards just that they don't compare to the 9800 IMO.

I am saying they do compare, FX5900's are rarely being trounced in any game by 9800 pros. Sure 9800 pros have a little edge in this game or that game but it's pretty close and definitely compareable. I can show just as many wins for the fx5900 as for the 9800 pro in review after review.

Sure ATi had a little better performance in COD but nothing major. That's one game, 90% of opengl games run better on NVIDIA and that's well known fact.

Sure a 9800 pro can be gotten for a good price, maybe you think it's better, some of us hate ATi cards because of other issues like drivers. Maybe just maybe ATi isn't even an option for the guy.(which i suspect due to poster not including it as one)