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pat777
06-26-04, 12:26 AM
I'm just wondering which card is better for it's time. Radeon 9700 Pro allowed long shader programs but the GeForce 3 was the first programmable GPU. 9700 Pro did show HUGE performance gains over the GeForce 4 before DirectX9.

qballshalls2002
06-26-04, 01:07 AM
Radeon 9700,,no comments.

Geforce3 was more like a Gf2 with pixel shading capabilites and more improved AA.

ChrisRay
06-26-04, 01:10 AM
Speed Wise or Feature set?

Geforce 3 wasnt much faster than a Geforce 2. But it was loads more programmable.

Radeon 9700 Was a nice leap, But I dont consider shader 2.0 leap over 1.3/1.4 as big of a leap as T&L to Pixel Shader was technology wise.

MUYA
06-26-04, 01:11 AM
9700 Pro, new 2 quad GPU with 256 bit memory interface. along with that dx9 compatibilty with the ability to play games with 4X AA :D So it brought with it more features than the GeForce3

Blacklash
06-26-04, 01:27 AM
I have loads of respect for the 9700 Pro,

I think it is one of the best cards ever made.

Edge
06-26-04, 01:36 AM
Radeon 9700,,no comments.

Geforce3 was more like a Gf2 with pixel shading capabilites and more improved AA.

Umm, then couldn't you say that the 9700 was just a faster 8500 with improved AA? EVERY card is just "the last card with this and this improved", the thing that matters is how many of those features are really important.

Anyway, I vote for the GF3. It was the first card to fully support pixel and vertex shaders, and was a HUGE leap above the GF2 in terms of features and speed (even the budget GF3 TI200 is still faster than a GF2 Ultra). The 9700 is quite fast, has some nice AA, and DX9 features, but I still see the GF2-to-GF3 as a monumental leap, whereas the 8500 to the 9700 was just a very nice upgrade. AA was pretty much useless before the GF3 series, and while it still wasn't very fast on it it was actually quite usable (I still have fond memories of playing System Shock 2 with 4xS AA on my GF3). Even today there are very few games that even use regular pixel shaders, much less DX9 pixel shaders, so while it's a nice feature on the 9700 it's mostly wasted (for now...). Notice the way that there are games out there that will run on a GF3 but not a GF2, while EVERY game that runs on the 9700 will also run on the GF3. But once games start using displacement mapping and HDR effects in games...:drooling:

Edit: Oh, and the GF3 also was the first card where 32-bit color depth was pretty much a 100% on feature. On the GF2 one of the first things you'd do if the game ran choppy was to run it in 16-bit color, but on the GF3 not only was this unneccisary, but the card was already so fast that there would be little reason to.

pat777
06-26-04, 02:54 AM
I have loads of respect for the 9700 Pro,

I think it is one of the best cards ever made.

That's why I put down GeForce 3 too. GeForce 3 was nVIDIA's hugest sucess(or it's hugest success I know of) while the 9700 Pro was by far ATI's hugest sucess.

mikechai
06-26-04, 03:05 AM
GeForce DDR was a huge leap as well ....

Arioch
06-26-04, 03:40 AM
Voodoo3D - the original card that changed PC gaming forever. I remember the first time loading up GLQuake and being awestruck at how it looked.

9700 Pro is the choice from the cards listed here.

Knell2
06-26-04, 05:14 AM
voodoo1 to voodoo2 SLI 12MB

Evildeus
06-26-04, 06:50 AM
6800u/x800xt :D

simonuk
06-26-04, 08:42 AM
I think Nvidia's biggest leap was from the Geforce4 to the Geforce FX, they made some mistakes (NV30) but the NV35 was good! :)

SH64
06-26-04, 08:46 AM
No option for the NV40 :confused:

EDIT : Oh i see your point now . you'r just comparing these specific 2 cards .
well i think the 9700 is a bigger leap . a complete DX9.0 card that works great till today , plus its being used more than the GeForce3 series which lived shortly before getting dominated by the GeForce 4 series .

DSC
06-26-04, 09:10 AM
A vote for NV4x here.

CaptNKILL
06-26-04, 11:21 AM
I dont think the Geforce 3 was a very big leap at all really, it added pixel shader support, but the Geforce 2 Ultra (the previous high end card) out performed it most of the time. I never owned a Geforce 3 but I had a Geforce 4 Ti 4400 and the improvement wasnt that impressive coming from a Geforce 2 GTS. With my 4400 there were games that came out BEFORE it that I couldnt use all of the card's features in (max details + AA\AF in MOHAA? nooo way). I cant imagine the Geforce 3 being any better.

The Radeon 9700 Pro on the other hand (which came out in summer of 2002 i think)is fast enough to use anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, pixel shaders and max details in pretty much every game available today (besides maybe Far Cry or Halo).

The Geforce 3 introduced some features, the Geforce 4 attempted to make them more usefull, the 9700 Pro perfected them (and i use that term loosely).

phantom1979
06-26-04, 02:58 PM
the first ever geforce 256 chip was the biggest ever increase.
The closest competitor at the time was the voodoo 3000 cards which sucked quite badly or the riva TNT 2. The GF came up and tore them all apart with speed quality and the fact that it was a totally seperate GPU.

Without Nvidia there would be no Radeon =)

Thats will be as hard to swallow for some as Jar jar binks having a higher body count than Boba fett is..............

CaptNKILL
06-26-04, 05:07 PM
the first ever geforce 256 chip was the biggest ever increase.
The closest competitor at the time was the voodoo 3000 cards which sucked quite badly or the riva TNT 2. The GF came up and tore them all apart with speed quality and the fact that it was a totally seperate GPU.

Without Nvidia there would be no Radeon =)

Thats will be as hard to swallow for some as Jar jar binks having a higher body count than Boba fett is..............
I dont know, i remember the TNT 2 Ultra being pretty close in performance to the Geforce 256, it was basically the same deal as the Geforce 2 Ultra vs. Geforce 3. Now with the 9700 Pro, there was nothing on the market that came even remotely close to it most of the time.

pat777
06-27-04, 01:46 AM
I dont know, i remember the TNT 2 Ultra being pretty close in performance to the Geforce 256, it was basically the same deal as the Geforce 2 Ultra vs. Geforce 3. Now with the 9700 Pro, there was nothing on the market that came even remotely close to it most of the time.
There was the 9700 Non Pro. :)