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vampireuk
06-30-04, 03:15 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3146529

The eight British servicemen seized by Iran last week were “forcibly escorted into Iranian territorial waters” before they were detained, the Ministry of Defence said today.

The six Royal Marines and two Royal Navy sailors were captured after their patrol boats were said to have strayed by mistake into the Iranian side of the Shatt al Arab waterway – sparking a tense three-day stand-off.

It was thought the men had accidentally entered Iranian waters on their way to Basra to deliver one of the patrol boats to the new Iraqi Riverine Patrol Service.

But in a written statement Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon said: “In a recent debriefing the crews have said that they were operating inside the Iraqi border and were forcibly escorted into Iranian territorial waters.

“Our assessment continues and will be greatly assisted by the retrieval of navigational information in the Global Positioning System equipment carried by the crews.

“We are very concerned about the blindfolding of the men and have made representations to the government of Iran.

“We have made it clear that we do not expect a recurrence of this incident.”

He said British personnel were issued with modern charts and equipment which should be sufficient to prevent straying across the border.

Mr Hoon also disclosed that the Iranians have failed to comply with yesterday’s deadline set for the return of the British equipment, including three boats, weapons, ammunition, radios and navigational equipment.

After the men’s release last Friday, Iranian foreign minister Kamal Kharrazi said his country would return the equipment.

One of the men returned home today for medical reasons associated with the incident and another two returned as their tour of duty ended.

The remaining five continue to work in Iraq, Mr Hoon said.

And add to the fact that they crossed the Iraq border and set up military positions, to hell with diplomacy, they should have given the order.

schuey74
06-30-04, 04:05 PM
I just read that and it's hard to take it as anything but the truth. What a dangerous little game these Iranians are playing. Kinda makes it seem like a conflict with Iran is unavoidable as they are pushing all the right buttons.

zoomy942
06-30-04, 04:07 PM
what scares me is why do they want to start a fight with us when they saw up stomp iraq? what do they have that we dont know about that they want to use?

schuey74
06-30-04, 04:13 PM
what scares me is why do they want to start a fight with us when they saw up stomp iraq? what do they have that we dont know about that they want to use?
Well, that's how I feel, but I didn't want to open that can of worms. Scary stuff indeed, for anyone who wants to open their eyes. :rolleyes:

vampireuk
06-30-04, 04:14 PM
If Iran was to use some kind of WMD I'm fairly sure the response would be a lot worse than anything they could do.

schuey74
06-30-04, 04:22 PM
If Iran was to use some kind of WMD I'm fairly sure the response would be a lot worse than anything they could do.
Obviously,, but I still don't like the idea of several thousands of our soldiers being killed with mustard gas or whatever. Of course, it would absolutely close the issue on WMDs and hopefully our people would not be so foolish as to continue divided on an issue which would only have one logical side at that point.

vampireuk
06-30-04, 04:23 PM
If Iran continue on the path they have chosen I see nothing but conflict in the future, and we won't be on the losing end.

schuey74
06-30-04, 04:34 PM
If Iran continue on the path they have chosen I see nothing but conflict in the future, and we won't be on the losing end.
I'm sorry to say that your probably correct on the first part and happy to say that you're 100% right on the second part. :)

Here's the article talking about what anyone with half a brain already knew. Al Qaida targeted the weak and it worked. They know that there are a bunch of weak-minded people out there that refuse to deal with the facts of life in that war is unavoidable sometimes. Iraq had to be dealt with sooner or later and unless they nuked us first, the antiwar cry babies would have been crying in 2008 (or 2010 or 2014 or 3015) just like they did last year. Do you think Al Qaida's response would have been any different in the future - NO! They'd prey on the same feeble minded fools they're preying on now!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040630/323/ex1bt.html

vampireuk
06-30-04, 04:37 PM
Unfortunately despite all the reasons Iran are giving us too I see mass protests against attacking them too :rolleyes:

kahloq
06-30-04, 04:59 PM
Anybody think that this whole Iranian stint to "force" these British patrol boats into Iranian waters and then seize them was an attempt at GAINING high tech equipement they may not have??? Like military GPS systems???? Do you wonder why Iran hasnt given the equipement back yet? Their "scientists" are most likely trying their hardest to figure it out. Theres a big difference between commercially available civilian GPS units and military versions. And that may not be the only tech on those boats Iran may have an interest in.

UDawg
06-30-04, 05:06 PM
Can we nuke em now?

UDawg
06-30-04, 05:07 PM
Anybody think that this whole Iranian stint to "force" these British patrol boats into Iranian waters and then seize them was an attempt at GAINING high tech equipement they may not have??? Like military GPS systems???? Do you wonder why Iran hasnt given the equipement back yet? Their "scientists" are most likely trying their hardest to figure it out. Theres a big difference between commercially available civilian GPS units and military versions. And that may not be the only tech on those boats Iran may have an interest in.


No that wasn't why they did it, that was just a bonus. This was a protest for the land grab they didn't get away with. Nothing more.

kahloq
06-30-04, 05:16 PM
A combination of both probably with other things in the mix we could only speculate at.

zoomy942
06-30-04, 06:02 PM
whats sad it that they havent even seen the true power of our arsenal.. and yet they still tempt fate

kahloq
06-30-04, 06:12 PM
Well when you wear a towel on your head........errr ummm nervermind...im not going there.

There are alot of decent and kind muslims that do wear the turbin and I dont wanna lump them in with the less then stellar intelligence Iran and some of the other mideast governments have been displaying.

zoomy942
06-30-04, 09:21 PM
Well when you wear a towel on your head........errr ummm nervermind...im not going there.

There are alot of decent and kind muslims that do wear the turbin and I dont wanna lump them in with the less then stellar intelligence Iran and some of the other mideast governments have been displaying.true hat. its just sad that the decent and intellegent muslims dont have a da*n say in government. its all the ones that thinkl we are out to get them.

sytaylor
07-01-04, 01:50 AM
Iran are esentially doing the same as a gorilla beating its chest before it gets shot with a rifle. Assuming if it looks big and scary people will back off and not hurt it. The UN denouncing their weapons building goals seemed to hit them hard as if they almost expected the UN to be on their side. So they're just being akward and playing hardball, and while the British are very "we EXPECT this will not happen again", if it did the response would be more harsh regardless of the consequences.

Rakeesh
07-01-04, 06:25 AM
AFAIK Iran was living in fear of Saddams military? The coalition crushed Saddams military in a very short period of time, with a very decisive victory, and very few casualties. WTF makes Iran think they would be able to move in on Iraq right now when the force that defeated Saddams military is still present?

They are making some very dangerous moves...

Rob_0126
07-01-04, 06:33 PM
Can we nuke em now?

:rofl