Rise in police searches of Asians

[vampireuk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3859023.stm

Now if these idiots screaming racism would actually look at the numbers they would see 14,000 white people searched compared to 3,000 Asian people, now where is my clan hood... :rolleyes:

[Raptorman]

Here, I'll provide my Civil War REENACTING flag. Which is, according to the belief of the masses, inherently evil and racist. Though people who believe that are inherently ignorant, or have been led to believe the BS in school history books.

[DiscipleDOC]

And those who bare it are inherently stupid.

[Raptorman]

Apparently you have no knowledge of Civil War history. I would not recommend trying to combat me with Confederate history. I am a Civil War historian, and I'm sure I know many Confederate & Union reenactors who would enlighten you on why your words are completely wrong.

Last time I checked, the Confederate Army is still called "The greatest fighting force ever assembled." So, please, retract your statement.

[kahloq]

Now I dont believe in racism, but honestly, saying someone is stupid for showing that flag is not nice and IMO kinda ignorant. That flag does NOT mean .....YEAH racism. The flag is depiction of the South's PRIDE in their area of the country and is NOT about racism. There are ppl that try and use that flag as a "symbol" for white supremacy and such, but more often then not, they will use a variant of the nazi insignia instead. However, those ppl are using the confederate flag OUT OF context. On a similiar note, do you think the TV show Dukes of Hazard were about racism? they had the Confed flag on the top of the General Lee car. Guess what, General Lee is the name of the leading General for the SOUTH during the civil war. Has nothing to do with racism even tho a few ppl try to claim that and attack ppl for that, when they themselves are in the wrong.

I should also note here that I do not live in the south, but was stationed in Georgia for 3 yrs while in the Army.

[Raptorman]

Now I dont believe in racism, but honestly, saying someone is stupid for showing that flag is not nice and IMO kinda ignorant. That flag does NOT mean .....YEAH racism. The flag is depiction of the South's PRIDE in their area of the country and is NOT about racism. There are ppl that try and use that flag as a "symbol" for white supremacy and such, but more often then not, they will use a variant of the nazi insignia instead. However, those ppl are using the confederate flag OUT OF context. On a similiar note, do you think the TV show Dukes of Hazard were about racism? they had the Confed flag on the top of the General Lee car. Guess what, General Lee is the name of the leading General for the SOUTH during the civil war. Has nothing to do with racism even tho a few ppl try to claim that and attack ppl for that, when they themselves are in the wrong.

I should also note here that I do not live in the south, but was stationed in Georgia for 3 yrs while in the Army.

Thank you kahloq.

[vampireuk]

Last time I checked, the Confederate Army is still called "The greatest fighting force ever assembled." So, please, retract your statement.

I think any army these days would kick their ass ;)

[vampireuk]

Also to be honest I would class the D-Day landing troops as the greatest fighting force ever assembled.

[DiscipleDOC]

Apparently you have no knowledge of Civil War history. I would not recommend trying to combat me with Confederate history. I am a Civil War historian, and I'm sure I know many Confederate & Union reenactors who would enlighten you on why your words are completely wrong.

Last time I checked, the Confederate Army is still called "The greatest fighting force ever assembled." So, please, retract your statement.

That'll be the day. I tell you what: When you get some of these people down south to stop acting like the South won the civil war, and stop being so biased, THEN I will retract my statement. When you have people that won't hide behind that flag and march down streets with white sheets on their head, I will then react my statement.

When you look at what you said from a colorful POV, then you will see how idiotic that statement was.

I'll even go a step further. I don't have to be a historian to know what that flag stood for. I know that if your confederate flag waving buddies had their way, I would not be making close to $65k a year, living in an upscale neighborhood, owning 3 SUV's and a car, AND own 3 Dogs (:D). Maybe, the history that you study try not to paint a bad picture of this flag, but it has it deep, dark side.

[Saint Lucifer]

I think any army these days would kick their ass.
You don't screw with Confederate soldiers when they have been deprived of their grits.

[Raptorman]

That'll be the day. I tell you what: When you get some of these people down south to stop acting like the South won the civil war, and stop being so biased, THEN I will retract my statement. When you have people that won't hide behind that flag and march down streets with white sheets on their head, I will then react my statement.

When you look at what you said from a colorful POV, then you will see how idiotic that statement was.

I'll even go a step further. I don't have to be a historian to know what that flag stood for. I know that if your confederate flag waving buddies had their way, I would not be making close to $65k a year, living in an upscale neighborhood, owning 3 SUV's and a car, AND own 3 Dogs (:D). Maybe, the history that you study try not to paint a bad picture of this flag, but it has it deep, dark side.

First off, it does not have a deep, dark side. Because some organizations have drawn a large misconception of the flag does not make that flag evil. Second, I am not biased. I have no bias toward UNION reenactors. Both sides had good points. Third off, the KKK MOST OF THE TIME HAS A U.S. FLAG RIGHT BESIDE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG!

Not only that, where was it most slaves were imported into North America? Oh yeah, NORTHERN states, then sold down south.

I know we did not win the war, but we showed the government we would not be oppressed with obsurd taxes. Actually, if the South had not fought you still would not own 3 SUVs and a nice house. So, maybe next time YOU think of being BIASED against the SOUTH you should think about it.

How about I throw you a history book?

[Riptide]

Also to be honest I would class the D-Day landing troops as the greatest fighting force ever assembled.
Man, that is a whole thread unto itself. There have been a great many excellent armies and commanders throughout history. As much as we despise the Nazis, you have to give the wehrmacht credit as well. At least at the beginning of the war, their tactics and their equipment (most of it anyway) were far superior to anyone else. They practically invented mechanized infantry.

[Saint Lucifer]

Man, that is a whole thread unto itself. There have been a great many excellent armies and commanders throughout history. As much as we despise the Nazis, you have to give the wehrmacht credit as well. At least at the beginning of the war, their tactics and their equipment (most of it anyway) were far superior to anyone else. They practically invented mechanized infantry.
Agreed! And I don't say that just because I've quoted Hitler...

[Raptorman]

Also to be honest I would class the D-Day landing troops as the greatest fighting force ever assembled.

Well, I wouldn't disagree. There are a lot of factors to play into the greatest fighting force, but the most popular one you hear is the Confederate Army.

[DiscipleDOC]

Raptorman, I mean no disrespect to you, in fact, I DO apologize for the satement I made earlier. All I'm asking you to do is look at it from a different perspective. Look at it from a perspective that many African-Americans were slaughtered all in the name of the confedaracy. Look at the fact, that many leaders used that flag to stir up hatred between Blacks and Whites in the US. That's what I'm asking.

[Raptorman]

Raptorman, I mean no disrespect to you, in fact, I DO apologize for the satement I made earlier. All I'm asking you to do is look at it from a different perspective. Look at it from a perspective that many African-Americans were slaughtered all in the name of the confedaracy. Look at the fact, that many leaders used that flag to stir up hatred between Blacks and Whites in the US. That's what I'm asking.

It's not a problem.

I do look at it from many perspectives. I find that it is a shame that "Leaders" today try to use the flag as a symbol of evil. One thing that is good is that you cannot link the torture of African-Americans directly to the Confederacy, as it was after the Confederacy had been defeated that the mass of racism began. It does upset me when people do try and link racism, and the torture of African-Americans to the Confederacy as I have 50+ Confederate ancestors (all of which were soldiers from Lee County, Virginia) who were poor and owned no slave. No one in this world could convince me that Confederate soldiers fought for slavery when only 2% of Confederate soldiers even owned a slave.

Another misconception I find disturbing is that Southern Slave-Owners beat their slaves. Only 1 - 2% of slave-owners ever hit their slaves. Most slaves liked their lives, and most were well treated and respected. Not to mention most slave-owners worked right along slaves in the fields. Things like this especially bother me when Northern states had slaves until 1867 (two years after the end of the Civil War), but no one ever says anything about that.

It is a shame that organizations such as the KKK exist to keep the truth of history from being seen by the eyes of the many. Perhaps one day this will all change, but I highly doubt it.

[UDawg]

Apparently you have no knowledge of Civil War history. I would not recommend trying to combat me with Confederate history. I am a Civil War historian, and I'm sure I know many Confederate & Union reenactors who would enlighten you on why your words are completely wrong.

Last time I checked, the Confederate Army is still called "The greatest fighting force ever assembled." So, please, retract your statement.


Umm but they still lost. BTW if you are a "civil war" historian then you would know it wasn't a civil war but a war between the states.

Secondly THE WAR IS OVER! The south lost and ya'll need to get over that.

I will say that I thought the south had a right to succession (sp) but that it would have been a disaster for the south and was a terrible idea.

[UDawg]

Another misconception I find disturbing is that Southern Slave-Owners beat their slaves. Only 1 - 2% of slave-owners ever hit their slaves. Most slaves liked their lives, and most were well treated and respected. Not to mention most slave-owners worked right along slaves in the fields. Things like this especially bother me when Northern states had slaves until 1867 (two years after the end of the Civil War), but no one ever says anything about that.

THis is nothing more than justifying slavery because they were "good massas" sorry but I don't buy it. Humans were created to be free and not owned by any other man regardless of how good their masters treated them. I don't think you are condoning slaver but rather just pointing out information to clear up misconceptions, yet the result is the same as condoning the institution of slavery. Even if what you said is true and I don't know or even care if it is, it still doesn't make it right.

[schuey74]

I think that Raptorman is just trying to get the point across that the Confederate flag represents a certain set of ideals to Southerners which are very different from what the general public knows and understands about the Confederacy. I don't see him saying slavery is ok in any way. Slavery is still a super sensitive subject which usually results in knee-jerk reactions when the subject is even mentioned. As he said, you shouldn't condemn everything the Confederacy did and stood for because a small portion was evil. I'd venture to say that more than 5% of the U.S. right now is just as bad as that small percentage of slave owners, but the U.S. flag only represents evil in the minds of morons and the truly evil bastards which we're are taking care of right now.

[UDawg]

Yes I understand that and to an extent I agree with him. Still there is the other side of this issue and it is a very important point of view and that is that a big segment of the population view the flag as a symbol of oppression and slavery. I think they have a valid argument. I also thing Raptor has a valid argument in historical fact BUT in this case I have to agree with the African American community on this issue because descency is much more important than the argument Raptor is trying to make.

I said in my replies I don't think Raptor is trying to justify racism nore do I think he is a racist (as far as I can tell) but his words do in fact do just that justify slavery.

[EDWARD TIVRUSKY]

(popcorn)

[schuey74]

Yes I understand that and to an extent I agree with him. Still there is the other side of this issue and it is a very important point of view and that is that a big segment of the population view the flag as a symbol of oppression and slavery. I think they have a valid argument. I also thing Raptor has a valid argument in historical fact BUT in this case I have to agree with the African American community on this issue because descency is much more important than the argument Raptor is trying to make.

I said in my replies I don't think Raptor is trying to justify racism nore do I think he is a racist (as far as I can tell) but his words do in fact do just that justify slavery.
So the fact that a large portion of the population is uneducated enough to consider the Confederate flag a symbol of oppresion and slavery overrides the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people that stand behind the Confederate flag do not stand for that at all? I don't see why Southerners should replace or do away with what represents their ideals because some people decided to pin slavery on it. Raptorman's stats are very correct so please tell me how the actions of a tiny percentage should dictate how whole generations and their ideals are judged. It sounds terribly close to how people are judging Americans for the actions of a few in Iraq and then labeling the U.S. as evil. It's called looking for scapegoat, and in this case it's the Confederate flag and those who stand behind it's ideals.

[UDawg]

That large portion of the population I was refering to is the African American population. Now I thought that was obvious yet we now have your assertion that "a large portion of the population is uneducated" becasause they have a history different under that flag than do the white part of the population. With all do respect I have a problem with this idea.

Now I am in no way saying that flag has to be banned or that all who fly it are racists. I am not even saying that the flag its self is inherrently racist. I am only saying that those who were enslaved while that flag was flying over goverment court houses and capital building have a much different idea of what that flag means to them and since they are people and Americans we should that very serious consideration to that before we just fly that flag and say they are uneducated.

My problem with the flag it directly with the idea that, that flag symbolizes a separation from the Union. I do no like this. Many in the south have this idea that they are indipendant from the US to this very day. Either you are part of the US or you are not. You cannot have it both ways. Let go of the past and move on.

[vampireuk]

My own personal view is that there is no greater fighting force on this planet than those who fought on D-Day

[vampireuk]

Man, that is a whole thread unto itself. There have been a great many excellent armies and commanders throughout history. As much as we despise the Nazis, you have to give the wehrmacht credit as well. At least at the beginning of the war, their tactics and their equipment (most of it anyway) were far superior to anyone else. They practically invented mechanized infantry.

Very true, the British used armour to their advantage in WW1 and the Germans pretty much created armoured warfare in WW2