British Grand Prix

[schuey74]

Spaghetti Bolognaise, Ravioli, calazone....!!!

Ya I can type some Italian too. ;)

Yeah u are right, its not MS to blame but the other teams are to blame. Those who can match somewhat Ferraris budget of which is reported that only Toyota does. 1 team mate. But whatever, its getting monotonous and that is why we are seeing Moss and Eccie trying to introduc things by restricting performance and expenditure by saying U have to use an engine for 3 races or limiting RPMs. Its just suprising how much of a tech gap there is between Ferrari and the rest. I am still doubtful if those measures will close the gap. But still man is F1 boring .......
Actually it's Portuguese....it basically summarizes the Brasilian people's opinion of Rubinho.

McLaren, Williams, and Honda all have the money and racing know how to challenge, Ferrari and Michael just stay a step ahead. And reasonably speaking, if it weren't for Michelin last year, Ferrari would have run away a lot earlier with that championship as well. I'll still go back to what I said before, what's the point of all these rule changes as a differrent winner won't make F1 more exciting, although it would be more intersting. But we don't watch motorracing for interest, but for excitement, and you need the passing to occur on the track for that. I want to see Kimi and all these guys challenging on the track, not passing in the pits as Michael does now. Widen up and speed up these tracks, even you must slow the cars down a bit, but just slowing down the cars won't add any excitement. McLaren just showed us that we can expect JP and Kimi to be decently armed next year, so there is a ray of hope for the next F-1 season.....

[MUYA]

U want Brazilian? I go some, Ronaldo, Zico, Pele, Dunga...etc ;)

All my points are echoed in your reply...F1 is boring ;)

It has been reported only Toyota's budget matches Ferraris. Sure others have know how, but using the know how with a huge budget is definately Ferrari's forte. The rest seem to have lil clue .

I think the idea behind the proposed changes are that all cars will be more or less equal..therefore it will get more exciting because you might actually have racing on track for a change. Maybe a Expenditure cap should be introduced but there would be many grey area to sort out. I dunno...

But however, cannot ask all potential race venues to widen tracks etc although some are wide like Baharain and Malaysia. Just would cost too much for the race venues I suppose and many venues won't do it.

[schuey74]

U want Brazilian? I go some, Ronaldo, Zico, Pele, Dunga...etc ;)

All my points are echoed in your reply...F1 is boring ;)

It has been reported only Toyota's budget matches Ferraris. Sure others have know how, but using the know how with a huge budget is definately Ferrari's forte. The rest seem to have lil clue .

I think the idea behind the proposed changes are that all cars will be more or less equal..therefore it will get more exciting because you might actually have racing on track for a change. Maybe a Expenditure cap should be introduced but there would be many grey area to sort out. I dunno...

But however, cannot ask all potential race venues to widen tracks etc although some are wide like Baharain and Malaysia. Just would cost too much for the race venues I suppose and many venues won't do it.
I'm not talking about widening the tracks, just not slowing them down so much, which is as much a culprit for no passing lanes. Don't you recall all the darn chicanes, tighening up of hairpins, and other measure for slowing down tracks over the past 15 years or so. I don't mind slowing down the cars a bit and of course, trying to make them more equal. But slowing down the tracks so much so that no one has a chance to use the slipstreams and inside corners is just foolish. They were rash decisions made in the years following Senna's death and with how safe the cars are today, they aren't necessary. Increasing the passing lanes in F-1 could lead to more accidents, but come on, it's racing! I'll take a casualty every ten years over the imminent death of the sport if they continue castrating it so as all the excitement is in watching the pit crew work.

Yup, you're definetely right it's boring. I can't rememebr the last time I got excited when I was in and out of a gas station after fueling up within a minute or when I saw a mechanic change my tires. I do get pretty excited though when I make a perfect pass which I worked my ass off for during a Kart race. :)

[Sazar]

U want Brazilian? I go some, Ronaldo, Zico, Pele, Dunga...etc ;)

All my points are echoed in your reply...F1 is boring ;)

It has been reported only Toyota's budget matches Ferraris. Sure others have know how, but using the know how with a huge budget is definately Ferrari's forte. The rest seem to have lil clue .

I think the idea behind the proposed changes are that all cars will be more or less equal..therefore it will get more exciting because you might actually have racing on track for a change. Maybe a Expenditure cap should be introduced but there would be many grey area to sort out. I dunno...

But however, cannot ask all potential race venues to widen tracks etc although some are wide like Baharain and Malaysia. Just would cost too much for the race venues I suppose and many venues won't do it.

true... but ferrari's general know-how shot WAY up with schumi arriving and bringing the personnel he did from benneton :)

schumi has done it the hard way the first few seasons but the last 3-4 has been a cake-walk...

[schuey74]

true... but ferrari's general know-how shot WAY up with schumi arriving and bringing the personnel he did from benneton :)

schumi has done it the hard way the first few seasons but the last 3-4 has been a cake-walk...
Yup, lay down the groundwork.....then reap the rewards. :)

[bigC]

i can't say i'm surprised with the outcome: after a four stop strategy in France, it would be foolish to ever discount Ferrari and Schumi. again, he made it seem extraordinarily easy: stay within reach of first, wait for him to pit, do several really fast laps, and cruise the rest of the way fot yet another victory. ho-hum. whilst i cheer for Ferrari and Schumie in particular, i'm really hoping that someone else steps up and provides some competition, because as it stands now, Schumie is basically racing against himself, ie since his car never fails, the only way he won't win is if he loses concentration for a moment or becomes bored.

button, the best driver in F1, Sato, DC, and Montoya provided nothing to the race, almost as if they were resigned to defeat from the outset. after awhile, things just settled down into a parade.

Trulli's accident was amazing, a really hard impact and a flip: fortunately, he was able to get up and walk away right afterwards.

http://www.formula1.com/race/news/1901/724.html
results: http://www.formula1.com/race/result/724/8.html

next up, in two weeks, the German GP. :D

[MUYA]

Interesting this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3885477.stm

[lightman]

Spaghetti Bolognaise, Ravioli, calazone....!!!

Ya I can type some Italian too. ;)

No, you can't. It's "Spaghetti alla bolognese, Ravioli, calzone ..." ;)

Anyway... Regarding the race. I'm quite impressed with the new McLaren. I think they're almost to the point of being competitive with Ferrari again. And that's an awesome result considering the last 10 races.

Kimi had a quite good car, and he did a good race.

Barrichello once again showed that he's an average driver, with an overdeveloped ego. With the car he has, he should always end races in the second place. Bah.

Button maybe isn't such a great driver, but at least he's quite fast when he doesn't screw up with stupid mistakes.

DC is finished. C'mon, how many years he had a great car, and how many races has he won with that cars ? He should retire, and let someone with greater abilities take his McL. Maybe Mika could make a return ;)

Alonso and Sato made an average race. The problem is, they are both damn fast, but way too much inconstant.

All in all quite a nice race (compared to the last 10, that is). I just hope McL performance isn't a one shot only.

Let's hope for the Germany GP in 2 weeks. :)

[MUYA]

No, you can't. It's "Spaghetti alla bolognese, Ravioli, calzone ..." ;)


SMARTY PANTS!!! :spank:


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but yeah interesting though the article I linked saying it was a matter of tyres that are really seperating the drivers...ie brdigestone are more consistent than Michellins which wear down easily. But really, it's a Ferrar and Schumaker show this year. Heck if Shumcaker doesn't retire....will be a their roadshow again in 2005/2006 season

[schuey74]

Interesting this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3885477.stm
More than likely true. So any chance McLaren will jump ship? Now's the time to act in order to give Kimi & JP legitiamte chances next year.

[MUYA]

I doubt it they can in the middle of the season. Maybe next year..but then again michellins can get better tires out next year. :D

[schuey74]

I doubt it they can in the middle of the season. Maybe next year..but then again michellins can get better tires out next year. :D
I actually meant just to begin speaking to Bridgestone as these things take time. Yea, Michelin could be better next year, but Ferrari is running Bridgestones and they most certainly will next year. If McLaren feels their car is up to snuff then a change in tyres would take them out of the equation. Of course, this leaves the door wide open for BAR, Williams, and Renault if Michelin has great tires next year. You take chances both ways, but since Ferrari is the one being chased, I'd take the chance. Plus, McLaren will have arguably the best one-two driver combo next year.

[MUYA]

Montoya and Kimi? ya pretty dynamic line up

[lightman]

JP ? McLaren ? I don't think so.

Btw, moving from Michelin to Bridgestone could be much harder than you think.
The problem is, F1 cars aren't like normal stock cars, where you can use, say, Michelin, Yokohama, Goodyear, Pirelli or Toyo tires and they all perform with no problems at all. Or, better, F1 tires are built to closely match a particular car. You can't simply put the same tires Ferrari use on a McL and expect them to automagically give you a performance boost. You'd probably have to modify the suspensions, too. And maybe the steer, too.

It's not so easy as you seem to think... :)

[schuey74]

JP ? McLaren ? I don't think so.

Btw, moving from Michelin to Bridgestone could be much harder than you think.
The problem is, F1 cars aren't like normal stock cars, where you can use, say, Michelin, Yokohama, Goodyear, Pirelli or Toyo tires and they all perform with no problems at all. Or, better, F1 tires are built to closely match a particular car. You can't simply put the same tires Ferrari use on a McL and expect them to automagically give you a performance boost. You'd probably have to modify the suspensions, too. And maybe the steer, too.

It's not so easy as you seem to think... :)
You are right, it's not as easy as just swapping out tires as the cars are designed with the designated tires in mind. But with several months of test time I'm sure the big teams can adapt their cars to the tires. Anyways, that really is a long shot right now.

I don't get your first line. You don't think JP can succeed with Mclaren?

[lightman]

You are right, it's not as easy as just swapping out tires as the cars are designed with the designated tires in mind. But with several months of test time I'm sure the big teams can adapt their cars to the tires. Anyways, that really is a long shot right now.

Right. The point is, how many months has it taken McL to have a competitive car ? Do you really think that adding another variable (the new tires) would really make for a competitive car in time for the first race of the '05 season ? I don't think so. I think it'd take at least twelve months of development to have a new car ready (note, I'm considering both the changes needed for the new tires *and* all the usual performance enhancements/car redisegn that happen between seasons)....

I don't get your first line. You don't think JP can succeed with Mclaren?

Well, I was commenting on your :

So any chance McLaren will jump ship? Now's the time to act in order to give Kimi & JP legitiamte chances next year.

I don't think that JP will be @ McL next year. At least, I hope he won't be. JP can be fast, at times, but overall is a just-above-mediocre driver....

[schuey74]

Right. The point is, how many months has it taken McL to have a competitive car ? Do you really think that adding another variable (the new tires) would really make for a competitive car in time for the first race of the '05 season ? I don't think so. I think it'd take at least twelve months of development to have a new car ready (note, I'm considering both the changes needed for the new tires *and* all the usual performance enhancements/car redisegn that happen between seasons)....



Well, I was commenting on your :



I don't think that JP will be @ McL next year. At least, I hope he won't be. JP can be fast, at times, but overall is a just-above-mediocre driver....
Not just another variable, but probably the most important. Yea, you are right in that. But I think you underestimate the ability of these teams. The "B" car that McLaren is running now had only been in development for under six months and already people are saying that it would be better than the Ferrari if it weren't for the Bridgestones. And it's pretty hard to argue that point when Kimi was blazing fast on fresh tires and (more or less) equal fuel loads with the Ferraris. But the bottom line is that a change of tires is really a long long shot because of the tight relationship that Ferrari enjoys with Bridgestone.
When I was referring to McLaren jumping ship I meant changing tire manufacturers. Where have you been man! J.P.'s been signed for months now, he will be with McLaren next year, there is no doubt. Now whether he is mediocre or good or great, there is plenty of doubt, which should be cleared up next year. Driving alongside Kimi in a competitive car will be a great barometer of both drivers' skills. I wouldn't bet against either of those guys taking the championship next year. Other than Michael, who else, Alonso? Certainly not Button, unless he has hands down the fastest car on the track.
It sucks having to talk about next year's F-1 season when we've just passed the midway point on this season.......go away Michael, and take that slowpoke Coulthard while you're at it. :)

[Sazar]

ferrari are likely gonna tweak their own little baby to ensure that it does not fall behind the mclaren... they have 2 able drivers AND an excellent test driver as well...

I am just really miffed @ williams... after last season I had been hoping for big things from them and they have been bleh so far...

BAR and toyota have a heck of a lot of potential... especially toyota given their budget and their skillz in other arenas in motor racing... in a coupla years they may well be competing with the big dogs on a regular basis...

this season is a foregone conclusion but I do want to see just how high MS can set the bar for the coming generation to follow...

I have my money on 11 or 12 wins... :) I have a feeling he'll either get bored or the other lads will catch up sometime down the road..

ferrari are pretty much done with the title (almost) and schumi is close to the drivers title... he should take a break when ferrari achieves both goals and let the test drive prove his mettle :)