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some stories pre the British Grand Prix:
Marc Gene will get another chance to race again for Williams/BMW:
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story.asp?id=90248
a London GP? anything is possible:
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=1836333
who do you think will win? Schumie again?
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_story.asp?ID=90479&hubName=auto_racing-formula_one
http://www.formula1.com/race/news/1863/724.html
tobacco and sports: i have watched tocacco-sponsored events for my entire life: auto races, tennis tournaments, fireworks displays, etc, and i have never smoked, never been effected by the ads. while the Western world seems to be rejecting tobacco/sponsorship, F1 is still addicted to tobacco $. 5 teams are sponsored by cigarette companies, the Canadian GP was almost cancelled this year as a result of a tobacco ad-ban, and F1 is moving into non-traditional countries that still allow tobacco ads. will we see an F1 season with no European events? will gov'ts bend to the will of Ecclestone?
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_story.asp?ID=90480&hubName=auto_racing-formula_one
would be interesting to see a race in england other than silverstone...
I wounder what bernie's gonna do in his home-country :thumbsup:
good bump for the economy if it comes through though I would hate to see Monaco go :(
schuey74
07-08-04, 08:16 PM
Banning tobacco ads would be borderline retarded. These guys pay big big big bucks for their advertising because other industries refuse to accept them as advertisers. The more other people reject them, the more money F1 teams can charge them. And the obvious trend is for more folks to reject the tobacco companies. But you know what, people will continue to smoke and tobacco companies will continue to pay prices for spots on cars that other sponsors can't afford. Why send these guys off to another entertainment medium, which is actually F1's competition, directly or indirectly?
mikechai
07-09-04, 01:38 AM
F1 2004 = Ferrari RoadShow
Kimi, in his McLaren, was fastest in Friday practice, just barely. still, it leads one to wonder what he could have achieved if his new car hadn't been introduced half way through the season, when championship aspirations are all but over. still, with Schumie in third after the practice, he is in position to win his 10th race out of eleven.
http://www.formula1.com/race/news/1879/724.html
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story.asp?id=90571
results: http://www.formula1.com/race/result/724/10.html
NAZCA M12
07-09-04, 09:43 PM
Kimi, in his McLaren, was fastest in Friday practice, just barely. still, it leads one to wonder what he could have achieved if his new car hadn't been introduced half way through the season, when championship aspirations are all but over.
[RANT ON] Let me guess, take a handful of second places in every race that the junk at the back of his car doesn't explode and have a shot at a title he doesn't deserve?
I think "Kimi" is way over-hyped and that joke about how incredibly awesome he is has got to stop. Last season, he had some races where he didn't pass nobody, yet he ended up with a second place. Aided by other drivers misfortunes and a stupid point system that gave the thumbs up (and plenty of points too) to those who didn't risk for the win but settled for 2nd instead, he got plenty of points and up to the final race, he was in with a chance of getting a championship with 1 victory from a guy who had 6 or 7 wins. Even though Coulthard destroyed him in Suzuka (and also gave him his primary car), Kimi failed to even beat his team-mate who evidently slowed down to let him up to second and hope that sth would happen to Schu.
Great drivers imo are those who at sometime in their carrer will find themselves in a ****box and manage to turn things around. Montoya hasn't been in one of the worst cars of the grid, Raikonnen neither, same for Button etc. They never experienced life with a truly bad car (say a Minardi). But Fisichella did, Trulli and Alonso did too. Button at Renault, was blown away by his team-mates. Raikonnen being faster than a "finished" team-mate doesn't say anything, and Juan's *****ing all the time about his car, obviously forgetting to criticize himself. And what do you hear from those "fantastic" drivers? One (Button) claims to be "without doubt the best driver in the world", and the other (Raikonnen) states before the start of the season "i feel i can win all the races of the season". Well said, for a guy who has zero wins out of 5 seasons/only won once in 4 years of trying. [RANT OFF]
Although Michelin tires are still behind when wet, i do hope we get a wet/dry race at Silverstone, dry races have been pretty **** for the spectators so far.
I gotta agree to an extent... kimi is WAY over-hyped...
mika at least has a title to his credit and raced like a champ...
@ the moment though jenson button is the title holder for most hype (and self-promotion) out there...
alonso and ralf and montoya were my picks to harass schumi this year but their cars just haven't picked up... sato otoh has been a pleasant surprise and he's done it w/o the fan-fare that kimi or button receive...
regardless of what is said though... schumi has shown he is the best racer in F1 in the modern era... he has won in all kindsa weather... survived the controversy and is now adding to his legacy... I miss the days of prost and senna but schumi is setting the bar @ a level where hopefully others will compete to arrive @ and provide us with entertaining times :)
NAZCA M12: i agree. Kimi is over-rated. he is nothing like Mika Haikonnen, who actually won races/championships. Kimi talks a lot, Montoya is a complete waste of time (he whines way too much, blames everyone except his own reckless driving).
re Button: i never fail to point out when he is out-performed by his his team-mate, Sato (whenever he doesn't have a Villeneuve-esque moment in his BAR). Button, "the best driver in F1", is popular with the British media, so he feels it is ok to make proclamations of greatness without any great achievements, or victories. he sucks. win a race, come in second, achieve something!
I had hopes for button once... when he came on the tour... but he seems to have let the hype get to him...
its not his RIGHT to win races.. he has to bloody well work as hard or harder than the other lads on the track...
I do enjoy montoya even with his *****ning and moaning bout everything and their uncle :D he's just fun to watch the way he races...
Kimi is a wannabe Mika, Button has the best publicist in F1. i agree that Alonso, Montoya, Ralf, (but add Trulli) are contenders, but Sato has been the biggest surprise so far: if he were JV, though, he would be criticized for all the DNFs. i like the way he drives, and even though he has less points than Button, he seems to me to be a better racer (ie, he takes more high risks, etc).
I had hopes for button once... when he came on the tour... but he seems to have let the hype get to him...
its not his RIGHT to win races.. he has to bloody well work as hard or harder than the other lads on the track...
I do enjoy montoya even with his *****ning and moaning bout everything and their uncle :D he's just fun to watch the way he races...agreed, button has let the hype get to him. re montoya: i like the way he races: all out, but his whining gets to me too much. i can't stand him because of his complaining.
lol... its in his blood I think :)
at least it adds personality... I don't take his complaints seriously but I do like watching the bastard :)
lol... its in his blood I think :)
at least it adds personality... I don't take his complaints seriously but I do like watching the bastard :)indeed, pesonality is good. his racing is good, just cut the whining. :D
indeed, pesonality is good. his racing is good, just cut the whining. :D
he's just waiting for the cheese to go with his whine :D
when he gets it he'll shut-up :thumbsup:
I hope :eek:
NAZCA M12
07-10-04, 12:41 AM
Personality is great, but where's the limit? I mean, Montoya has played quite a lot of mind tricks to his team-mate whenever he's the faster of the two. That's one of the things that really makes you loose respect for the guy. It gives the impression that the best driver overall, is the one that drives well, can play psychological games to the others, and get the team totally behind him (that goes for Schumacher). I'd like a more honest stance from such drivers. Sth like "this is who i am, i'll never try to unsettle my team-mate, i have a contract that clearly states that i'd never get a better car than him and hey. If he manages to be faster than me, hats off". Wishful thinking i guess.
It was not directly bigC's post that caused that mini explosion of mine (don't take it personally), it just reminded me how unconvincing a lot of our current "incredible" talents are. Button was beaten by Marc Hynes in F3, yet he got a chance with a Williams (hardly a back of the grid car) whereas the F3 champion got nothing. Iceman (my ass), looked good at Sauber against Heidfield but nothing more. I guess someone convinced Ron to take him to McLaren (Hakkinen: Who me? No! :angel2: ) As for Montoya, i've been watching him since his Barber-Saab days (93 maybe?) and the guy's a great overtaker, but he's spoiled a la Alonso: If he doesn't go well, he blames it on the car, or Ralf! Ralf himself, when on his good days he can beat anybody but he's up and down and all the good luck goes to the other brother. Webber is hailed as the next champion by Jones (guess being a compatriot doesn't have anything to do with it does it?) but who has he beaten? Clien? Pizzonia? Also notice from how many teams some drivers have passed:
Hakka: Lotus and then McLaren.
M. Schumacher: Jordan (1 race paid by Mercedes), Benetton, Ferrari.
R Schumacher: Jordan, Williams.
"The best driver in the world": Williams, BAR.
DC: Williams, McLaren.
KR: Sauber, McLaren.
Why exactly are some drivers rated that highly, when they've only passed from 2-3 top teams but never from a crappy one? Granted, Hakkinen with Herbert did small miracles with the Lotus when the team was financially already dead, have you seen the rest in POS cars? How about putting MS (or someone from the rest of the gang) in a Minardi for a year (without an unlimited budget, a slave for No.2 driver, Brawn/Byrne/Todt, endless testing in a private track and a tyre manufacturer working for their team entirely) and demand from them to deliver. Will he/they be any good?
Guys from the old generation started with poor, downright crap teams and delivered results they shouldn't: Senna showed well with Toleman-Hart, the equivalent of the Minardis back in the early 80's, Berger got in the points with ATS-BMW (a team so poor, they didn't have spare parts to run both his and Wincelhocks's cars at the same time). Of course we got Mansell through Lotus and Prost started with Renault but hey, they also had their bad moments with uncompetitive teams and they came through.
My opinion is that as much as the press might crave it, Button will never be the next Mansell, Barichello will never be the next Senna/Piquet, Raikonnen will keep watching Rosberg from miles away etc. And then you've got Schumacher ranking the wins against whom? His team-mate whose contract states exclusively that he has to give way to MS if he's behind him? And btw, if he's that damn good why does he need such a contract? Where was he when Mansell was racing? How was he doing against Prost? Now he's an expert on poles too? How many poles did he get against Senna? Initially Eddie Jordan wanted to put someone else in his car for the Spa race back in '91. Schumacher had someone else pay for him to race. Even his first victory at a rain-affected Spa came because he saw Martin Brundle's sister Benetton in front of him (who had already changed tires) sliding wildly with his set so he changed his tire choice and that got him his lucky break. Sorry, but i remember him well, in his old days (since F3 actually, with his manager's team). A good driver he always was. But good enough for 6 titles? And all this by overtaking through the pits? Bah.
Of course back then some drivers paid their dues by strting from karting, then forumala crap then formula not so crap then maybe formula-3, forumula 3000 etc then testing for a formula 1 etc etc
but I digress from that, MS though not a fan he has certainly has the credentials of a "legend in F1 only because his record speaks for itself. I agree with you when you question MS though about the way he has actually won it. Before last years championship etc, he actually raced with Hill for his championship, remember the racing incidents, then he raced with JV, then hakkinen, after that....its been his title via default as everyone else was crap with hardly anyone puhing him really as he was always miles ahead of the competition anyway.
NAZCA M12
07-10-04, 12:19 PM
Look who's on pole http://www.f1racing.net/en/raceresults.php?racepartID=68 here. :udawg: Seems KR is a member of nvnews and we got him pissed yesterday. Either he did an impressive lap, or he has an impressively empty fuel tank (1 sec from DV on home turf?). Button is disappointed with 3rd, whilst Shumacher claims his early spin was done on purpose. Did anyone see that joke called prequalifying session? :screwy: I still hope we have a 100% British weather for Sunday's race.
MUYA, if i have time i'll get back to you later on about the earlier years with JV, MH, DH you mentioned. We disagree obviously but it's alright. Somebody should tell Barichello btw that he's outqualified his team-mate (breach of contract :spank: )
mustrum
07-10-04, 03:45 PM
Raikonnen stated in an interview BEFORE the qualifying that his fast lap in the morning was with a quite full tank. If that is true he has chances to win!
Even with empty tanks it's an awesome time considering where MC Laren was a few months ago.
KR for the win!!! Schumacher will be owned:
yup, Kimi grabbed the pole (what would have been in that car was introduced at the start of the season?), Rubens in second, the best driver in 3rd, and Schumie in 4th .... it should be an easy win for Schumacher. :lol:
i'm looking forward to the race: hopefully, driving ability plays a greater role in the outcome then team strategy. the start will be really interesting. with Montoya in 8th, and Sato right behind him, there could be a lot of movement right at the start, as they try to jump up several places really quickly.
http://www.formula1.com/race/news/1895/724.html
Raikonnen stated in an interview BEFORE the qualifying that his fast lap in the morning was with a quite full tank. If that is true he has chances to win!
Even with empty tanks it's an awesome time considering where MC Laren was a few months ago.
KR for the win!!! Schumacher will be owned:
provided his engine doesn't blow up...as mercerdes have this season ;) ok so it's a new engine...still.....
2fast4u
07-11-04, 07:04 AM
Raikonnen stated in an interview BEFORE the qualifying that his fast lap in the morning was with a quite full tank. If that is true he has chances to win!
Even with empty tanks it's an awesome time considering where MC Laren was a few months ago.
KR for the win!!! Schumacher will be owned:
considering dc placed 7th (which is about where they always were this season) it leaves two choice: either kimi has an actually nearly empty tank or his driving skill is way superior to the one of dc. while i think case one is more likely. no doubt though that mclaren has improved a lot now, so just in case the engine doesnt burst into flames i see an interesting race ahead.
Oh what a shock.....MS won...then again he was pushed this time for a change.
schuey74
07-11-04, 11:21 AM
É ,sempre atrás do alemão ,este és lo nosso Rubinho pé de chinelo !!!!
Michael does what Michael does best, pull off hot lap after hot lap to get the job done. Don't hate the player, hate the game. With 1/3 of the tracks on the circuit giving almost no chance to pass and another 1/3 of them only giving you a chance or two, how can Ferrari and Michael be blamed for using logic in their strategies. Half the teams on the grid can match their budget, just not their performance on the track.
Perhaps if the powers that be in F-1 stop trying to figure out how to make the cars & tracks slower Ferrari wouldn't have to resort to this strategy, which anyone else could use but lack both the drivers and cars to make it work. Why not open up these tracks more to let these guys race out there instead of the pits? These are the questions that should be directed at Bernie instead of complainng about Michael's ability to abuse of the current situation. Does anyone see someone else throwing down pole position laps one after another with rarely a mistake? It's awful easy to criticize all the babies (22 - 28 year olds) who haven't been able to beat Michael in the past few years, but some of these same guys will be the ones winning championships in the next five to ten years when Michael is (hopefully!) long gone. Let's not pretend that we know where Kimi, Alonso, Webber, or Montoya will stand when it's all said & done as these guys all have chances to big time champs over the remaining 10 - 15 years of their careers.
Spaghetti Bolognaise, Ravioli, calazone....!!!
Ya I can type some Italian too. ;)
Yeah u are right, its not MS to blame but the other teams are to blame. Those who can match somewhat Ferraris budget of which is reported that only Toyota does. 1 team mate. But whatever, its getting monotonous and that is why we are seeing Moss and Eccie trying to introduc things by restricting performance and expenditure by saying U have to use an engine for 3 races or limiting RPMs. Its just suprising how much of a tech gap there is between Ferrari and the rest. I am still doubtful if those measures will close the gap. But still man is F1 boring .......
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