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DaveB
07-08-04, 11:55 PM
As an nVidia user since the Riva128, I recently switched to ATI when I built my new computer a year and a half ago. As such, I feel it's now time to upgrade, because my old 9700pro is starting to show it's age a bit.

As it stands, I'm torn between the X800Pro and the 6800gt model. It seems that the GT outperforms the X800Pro on most benches. My only concern with the 6800 and nVidia cards in general is the 2D quality. In the past when I had my Hercules Prophet GF3 Ti 500, I know the 2D quality was nowhere near what the ATI cards put out. Now my question to you guys is: has nVidia finally gotten their 2D quality up to match their 3D? Can someone please post some uncompressed screens of their desktop so that I might check out the quality? If not, can anyone vouch for how good/bad the 2D is? On a $400 card, I would expect it to be outstanding, but I also said the same thing when I got my old GeForce 3! :)

Thanks in advance!

-=DVS=-
07-08-04, 11:59 PM
If its between X800 Pro and Geforce 6800GT , then its Geforce 6800GT no contest :drooling: oh and i to had Radeon 9700Pro :) GT is as good as Radeon in terms of 2d/3d quality in my opinion if there is any difference i realy can't see it.

combat_wombat
07-09-04, 12:00 AM
1600x1200 here, 100hz, perfect IQ, no blurriness observed

anzak
07-09-04, 12:04 AM
GT is as good as Radeon in terms of 2d/3d quality in my opinion if there is any difference i realy can't see it.

I 2nd that.

DaveB
07-09-04, 12:05 AM
If its between X800 Pro and Geforce 6800GT , then its Geforce 6800GT no contest :drooling: oh and i to had Radeon 9700Pro :) GT is as good as Radeon in terms of 2d/3d quality in my opinion if there is any difference i realy can't see it.
Thanks guys! Now if only I could get eVGA's website to realize that my billing address is the same as the one I typed in! Might just have to go the old fashioned route and *gasp*....call them to order one!! :D Nice avatar by the way!

Blacklash
07-09-04, 12:12 AM
I had an X800Pro that Oced to 540/1120, and I can say that the BFG 6800 GT OC is as powerful as that X800Pro overclocked sitting at it's defaults.

I haven't had much luck overclocking this one. It sits rock stable at 415/550, but can go up to 425/560 however I get freezing from time to time at that speed, no artefacting though.

slainfoe
07-09-04, 12:46 AM
1600x1200 here, 100hz, perfect IQ, no blurriness observed
what the hell monitor you have that can run 1600x1200 with 100hz ?

i thought my monitor was one of the best ( nec fe991sb) and it only does 72hz at 1600x1200.

fivefeet8
07-09-04, 12:50 AM
i thought my monitor was one of the best ( nec fe991sb) and it only does 72hz at 1600x1200.

My CRT monitor can do 1600x1200 @85hz.. Is that good?

Cota
07-09-04, 12:53 AM
Since the Fx series came out, 2d image quality has improved a lot and is every bit as good as ATI

slainfoe
07-09-04, 12:57 AM
My CRT monitor can do 1600x1200 @85hz.. Is that good?
ya anything less then 85hz hurts my eyes. reason i don't use 1600x1200 for a desktop just gaming

ragejg
07-09-04, 01:01 AM
That's the ONE good thing I could say about the FX5200NU I got April of 2k3 (that was subsequently thrashed by a GF2ti in terms of performance... long story :rolleyes:) ... it's 2d quality was way beter than my previous cards, a ti4200, GF3, GF2mx...

-=DVS=-
07-09-04, 02:09 AM
The only monitor you ever need :drooling:

ViewSonic P225fB (http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/proseries/p225fb/)

2048x1536 @ 79Hz
1920x1440 @ 84Hz
1856x1392 @ 87Hz
1600x1200 @ 99Hz

combat_wombat
07-09-04, 02:16 AM
what the hell monitor you have that can run 1600x1200 with 100hz ?

i thought my monitor was one of the best ( nec fe991sb) and it only does 72hz at 1600x1200.

compaq p1220. its rated maximum is 103hz at 1600x1200

anzak
07-09-04, 02:17 AM
My Viewsonic P70f does 77hz at 1600x1200.

Ruined
07-09-04, 02:25 AM
Have a BFG 6800GT, fantastic 2D quality.

SignorSalad
07-09-04, 07:50 AM
DaveB, this is a big for me also. I'm very sensitive to 2d quality, as I want the sharpest clearest desktop for the things I do most of the time.

I've owned Matrox (G550), ATI (9700pro), 3dfx(voodoo5) and Nvidia cards (GF2 and above) and installed some of each in machines I've built for friends and family. I just received my Evga 6800GT yesterday, which I am using currently in my main work/play machine. Several years ago, Matrox was clearly the best, followed by ATI then NVidia, with 3dfx bringing up the rear (IMHO) with noticable differences in sharpness and clarity. However, from what I see today, the 6800gt has perfectly fine 2d quality. I don't notice anything amiss or anything that would be a cause for complaint.

However, I don't have anything right at the moment to directly compare it to (and its all subjective anyway). I'd of course like to put a x800 and a matrox parhelia in my system and do a little direct comparison, but I don't have access to those cards right now. It could be that I've just grown used to the Nvidia 2d quality and don't notice anything wrong with it, but I'd say go for it. Unless you are the most discriminating 2d stickler, you should be fine with it.

Tanith
07-09-04, 07:58 AM
Thanks guys! Now if only I could get eVGA's website to realize that my billing address is the same as the one I typed in! Might just have to go the old fashioned route and *gasp*....call them to order one!! :D Nice avatar by the way!
dude, i've the EXACT same problem as you when i try to order from evga, it say address verification error (shipping and billing adress must match... but the weird thing is they do!!!). I tried many times to order one and i double check that my address was correct, but after 11 times, i dont know what else to do... I could try to call them, but im from Montréal, Canada and my english speaking isnt so good (my writing too, lol).

Tanith

brentsg
07-09-04, 09:28 AM
I'm using the 6800 Ultra on a Mits 2070SB (22" CRT) and it looks fantastic in 2d. I have also had a sensitivity to poor 2d quality over the years.

B

saturnotaku
07-09-04, 09:31 AM
Poor 2D quality on NVIDIA cards is a thing of the past and it has been for quite some time. Even on my cheapo/refurbished Dell P991 (1600x1200 @ 85 Hz for gaming, 1280x960 @ 100 Hz for desktop) my 6800 GT looks marvelous. :)

Templar
07-09-04, 10:57 AM
The 2d is razor sharp on this POV 6800 Ultra.. I'd say the colors and desktop looks better then on my older Radeon 9800XT.. I know the games do!

Simon

DaveB
07-09-04, 11:51 AM
Thanks for all of the helpful replies guys! I have another question. The following is my current computer setup. Do you think it's possible to run a 6800 Ultra or X800 XT PE on this setup and not bottleneck it too badly?

P4 3.06 GHz / 533 FSB
1 GB PC3200 XMS Corsair Memory
430 Antec TruPower PSU

Any thoughts? The guys over at Rage3D seem to think I could handle a higher-end card, but I have my doubts.

Mithan
07-09-04, 12:24 PM
I had a 9700 Pro until monday. The eVGA 6800 GT is just as good.

I think with your setup, you'll be better off with the GT, overclocked. Better value....

DaveB
07-09-04, 12:36 PM
I had a 9700 Pro until monday. The eVGA 6800 GT is just as good.

I think with your setup, you'll be better off with the GT, overclocked. Better value....

Is the jump in performance noticeable? I play mostly FPS, RTS, and RPGs. Is it a worthy upgrade?

Templar
07-09-04, 12:41 PM
The jump is very noticable and so is the image quality. NV should be todays IQ freaks first choice. I know it's mine.

Thief 3 looks twice as good, effects, shadows moving and lighting that wasn't even there on the Raddy. CoD has a transparant and a fog effect that the Raddy didn't have and KOTOR, phua, colors are better!.. GO FOR IT.

I think your PC will handle the card just fine. 2 Year old CPU and still going strong :)

Simon

Clay
07-09-04, 12:49 PM
Is the jump in performance noticeable? I play mostly FPS, RTS, and RPGs. Is it a worthy upgrade?If you're asking about the jump in performance from an ATI 9700 to an NVIDIA 6800GT...yes, we're talking at least double the performance basically across the board, same could be said for the 9800 series as well. This new generation of cards (from both ATI and NVIDIA) is one of the more performance-improved generations we've seen in the past few years.

If you're asking whether or not going from a 6800GT/X800Pro to a 6800Ultra/X800XT PE is worth the upgrade. Well, that depends as usual. :) In most cases (other than the higher resolutions with high AA/AF settings) the performance gains will be fairly modest regarding this upgrade path. However, if you like to play at higher resolutions and higher AA/AF settings (and don't mind the extra ~$100) then it may be very worthwhile for you to go that route.

Your 533 fsb will likely be a bit of a bottleneck but most any system today is (to varying degrees of course) for the fastest cards. Your RAM quality/quantity looks good and your PSU should be sufficient as well since it is a quality part although it may limit you a bit when it comes to overclocking stability.