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SilentKayos
07-10-04, 03:02 AM
Would a geforce 6800 GT fit in this case? http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/barebone-shuttle-sn85g4/

I'm going to build my first PC and I get confused sometimes..

rewt
07-10-04, 03:18 AM
Yes I think it will fit but it might get a little hot being that the fan will be so close to the side panel. It needs to have some room to "breathe".

SkyLight
07-10-04, 03:54 AM
Actually it would be nice to make a hole in that side panel :) cool air right from outside the system is better than from the inside anyday

edit: typos :angel2:

rewt
07-10-04, 03:58 AM
Very good idea as long as it doesn't void any warranties ;)

JGene
07-10-04, 04:06 AM
Go buy the Shuttle black case cover with the side vents (http://us.shuttle.com/specs_access.asp?pro_id=375). I have an SN45G with the SilentX 250W PSU. Everything is peachy sans the display resolution (EDID DVI driver bug).

Vyper
07-10-04, 04:18 AM
I'm curious if the PSU will hold for that massive amount of continous power when gaming long periods. Remember that the GT is only clocked slightly lower than the Ultra and that GFX draws reasonable amount of power.

So my thought is that the PSU will be ok for perhaps 9 months then after that sporadic failure will occur..

Just my thought dudes, wouldn't like to spoil your dream about a small powerhouse :angel2:

JGene
07-10-04, 04:25 AM
Go read my post in this thread (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=43&threadid=60067&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=). In short, I wouldn't sweat it--the GeForce 6800 GT uses about the same amount of power as a GeForceFX 5950 Ultra.

SilentKayos
07-10-04, 12:56 PM
I have $1700 bucks to spend...Because the company I bought a computer off of screwed me over and still hasn't shipped it a month after I ordered it. So I'm going to cancel my order and just build my own. Which turns out that I can have a faster machine for significantly less. Anyway, the GeForce 6800 GT would fit, but the air flow is not that good? 50 bucks for that mesh side pannel is quite a bit.

Since it will work, I will have to actually find a GeForce 6800 GT that will ship fast..

Phoking
07-10-04, 02:40 PM
Since it will work, I will have to actually find a GeForce 6800 GT that will ship fast..

If you dont mind brands, evga has GT's in stock at their website

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?Part_Number=256-A8-N344-AX

or you can check the preorder trend to see who else has them in stock.

CrashMaster
07-10-04, 06:42 PM
well it has been done with a 5900 ultra... I just did NOT run it off the powersupply on the IDEQ box....




CrashMaster

SilentKayos
07-10-04, 11:33 PM
well it has been done with a 5900 ultra... I just did NOT run it off the powersupply on the IDEQ box....




CrashMaster


Hm, so 240 watts won't work?

SkyLight
07-11-04, 03:54 AM
Hm, so 240 watts won't work?
Probably not.

SilentKayos
07-11-04, 05:03 AM
Probably not.

There would only be a dvd burner and a hard drive in the machine...there should be enough power...right?

anzak
07-11-04, 01:42 PM
There would only be a dvd burner and a hard drive in the machine...there should be enough power...right?

Shuttle PSU's are great. With a single hard drive and one optical drive you should be fine.

ricercar
07-11-04, 02:06 PM
The Shuttle 250 PSU is NOT enough for full performance from an NVIDIA card with a power connector. I have a Shuttle SN41G2. My SFF shipped with a 200W PSU, and I was unable to 3D game above 800x600 without bluescreen when a 5800 or 5900 Ultra kicked into 3D mode.

So I had to experiment. To be brief, I saw significant increases in graphics performance at each step as I upgraded PSUs from 200->250->300->350->480 watts.
- FX5800 @ 200W = 12K Onionmarks
- FX5800 @ 480W = 17K Onionmarks
To wit, there was a 10-25% Onionmark increase at each increment of PSU upgrade. This quantitative improvement was also noticable qualitatively in UT2004; at most PSU upgrades, gameplay and control response was smoother than before. The performance increase dropped below a 5% improvement when I increased from 480->510 watts. I could game at 1024x768 at 300W but not 250W.

FYI: I used 300W and 480W 1RU PSUs in these experiments. 1RU PSUs tend to be very loud, intended for servers in machine rooms, not living rooms. The advantage is that many 1RU PSUs can be modded for internal SFF use, and a traditional ATX PSU cannot.

Note that there are many people who have mileage that differs from mine greatly, with 5900s and Radeon 9800s performing "satisfactorily" in their SFFs. I suspect these people are ignorant how much performance they lose with their 250W PSUs.

JBark
07-11-04, 03:14 PM
I've been using a 6800GT in my SN45G with the stock 200W supply just fine. Got the card on Thusday, and I've played hours and hours of FarCry and DesertCombat since then. I've had zero problems. Played FarCry @ 1280x1024 with HighAA/4AF set in game, and all settings at Very High. FPS of around 50-60 inside, and 30-50 outside.

Default score of 10387 in 3DMark03, which matches what I should get with my system specs (XP @ 2.0GHz, 1GB Ram).

ricercar, I'm not sure why you are getting results like that, but it's pretty obvious there has to be something else wrong with your system. There are thousands of people using SFF as high performance gaming machines, and I haven't seen a single report of a SFF being any slower than a desktop machine with the same configuration.

JGene
07-11-04, 06:20 PM
I too run an Athlon XP @ 2GHz and an SN45G. I have the 250W PSU and a 6800GT. Everything is great but I get a reboot about every 30 minutes while playing video games. Not sure if it's a PSU/CPU/Video card issue since I haven't tested it throughly enough. Although I'm guessing it's probably related to my CPU voltage dipping (1.6V at 2000MHz).

JBark
07-12-04, 12:37 PM
I too run an Athlon XP @ 2GHz and an SN45G. I have the 250W PSU and a 6800GT. Everything is great but I get a reboot about every 30 minutes while playing video games. Not sure if it's a PSU/CPU/Video card issue since I haven't tested it throughly enough. Although I'm guessing it's probably related to my CPU voltage dipping (1.6V at 2000MHz).

Here's something that might be useful in SFF systems like ours, where a large power draw is more noticable than on a machine with a large PS.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips1165/

I keep all my games as CD images on my HD, so I never have to worry about my DVD drive spinning up while gaming.

JGene
07-12-04, 10:17 PM
Thanks for the tip, but I did some benchmarking last night and I'm not sure if it's actually a hardware problem at all. I was using the 61.80 drivers (62.01 now) and I had some erratic freezes. However the only time my computer rebooted was when playing halo.

I ran SiSoft Sandra CPU/Memory/HD and CD-Rom benchmark while playing a windowed 3d demo and my machine STILL didn't reboot. My voltages were all normal, so I'm guessing it was a software problem because of Halo. Didn't try any other games though...

SkyLight
07-13-04, 03:12 AM
Shuttle PSU's have not made themselves to Estonia :( Sad, considering the fact that people say good things about them...

stuartb
07-16-04, 08:40 PM
Check this website out, shows very detailed power useage of a shuttle with a 250 watt powersupply running several games.

http://www.thephonebot.com/shuttle/index.htm

the wattage charts at the bottom are very interesting. its amazing how much stuff the guy has running on the thing too.

JGene
07-16-04, 09:41 PM
Just wanted to clarify one thing here: the freezes that I was having in Halo was because of the 61.80 drivers. Once I updated my drivers, the freezes went away and never came back. :)