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Head_slinger
10-23-02, 12:22 PM
Just to ask is there any difference other than clock speed between these cards.

Just curious :D

Head_slinger

Gator
10-23-02, 01:11 PM
only 25mhz difference. TI4400 = 275/550, TI4600 = 300/600

Considering nearly all TI4400's can easily overclock to 300/600, I think it's a better deal than TI4600. I'm very happy with mine. :)

Head_slinger
10-23-02, 01:33 PM
yup me 2

:D

StealthHawk
10-23-02, 02:06 PM
only differences between GF4Ti cards are the new 8x cards, the 4400/4600, and the 4200.

of course the 4200/4400/4600 are functionally all the same.

CWB
10-23-02, 04:53 PM
Well yeah, if you start at 275/550, you can reach 4600 stock speeds...

But if you start at 300/650, you can overclock even higher! You might not get much more out of core (+25 MHz or so), but you certainly can out of the faster memory...maybe not enough to justify the extra $ tho...what is the price difference nowadays?

Pandur
10-25-02, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Gator
only 25mhz difference. TI4400 = 275/550, TI4600 = 300/600

Considering nearly all TI4400's can easily overclock to 300/600, I think it's a better deal than TI4600. I'm very happy with mine. :)
You're not correct. Ti4600 are clocked at 300/650. Some are even clocked at 300/660.
Ti4400 can usually oc the core to Ti4600 speeds. But the slower mem won't be able to keep up with the better mem on the Ti4600. You shouldn't have any trouble ocing the mem on a Ti4600 to >700Mhz. The Ti4400 mem maxes at around 600 usually.

PreservedSwine
10-25-02, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
only differences between GF4Ti cards are the new 8x cards, the 4400/4600, and the 4200.

of course the 4200/4400/4600 are functionally all the same.

Not exactly...

The Ti4200 is missing (2) layers.

That is why it is more affordable.

The Ti4400 and Ti4600 are 8 layer PCB's, while the Ti4200 is only a 6 layer PCB. Less heat dissapation and more internal electrical noise

StealthHawk
10-25-02, 02:21 AM
functionally as in for the user's purposes in terms of features.

i already stated that they were different(technically)
only differences between GF4Ti cards are the new 8x cards, the 4400/4600, and the 4200.

which probably should have read "there are only hardware-level differences are seen in the" for extra clarity.

LordVampyre
10-25-02, 03:08 PM
If you have the Albatron 8layer board with the 3.3 memory.. you can clock over the 4600 rates.. I know.. Im there.. Im also very happy still after a month :)

ReDeeMeR
10-25-02, 06:47 PM
Ti4600 mem is 2.8 it can reach well beyond 700mhz, personaly I have mine on 730, but hey there's no heatsinks on those babies so :D

Lezmaka
10-25-02, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by PreservedSwine
Not exactly...

The Ti4200 is missing (2) layers.

That is why it is more affordable.

The Ti4400 and Ti4600 are 8 layer PCB's, while the Ti4200 is only a 6 layer PCB. Less heat dissapation and more internal electrical noise

That's on the boards though. The actual chips are the same (except for the brand new ti4200x8agp). And there's been at least one company that has used the same boards for the 4200 that are used for the 4400/4600.

the_THING
10-27-02, 06:04 PM
I have a GF3 Ti200 o/c to 190/500.

Is it worth getting the Ti4400 and o/c it? or should I just wait for the "It's coming..." new card from nvidia sometime coming soon?
:confused:

thcdru2k
10-27-02, 06:49 PM
i'd wait..

sbp
10-27-02, 08:44 PM
The "It's coming..." new card won't be out in any sort of number this year and is likely to be expensive.

False Christian
11-11-02, 12:34 PM
I love my Ti4400 and it overclocks past Ti4600 levels.

ricercar
11-12-02, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Lezmaka
there's been at least one company that has used the same boards for the 4200 that are used for the 4400/4600.

What company is this?

DeM@rco
11-12-02, 02:16 PM
One company which uses 8 layer PCB´s instead of 6 is Albatron on their GF 4 4200P Turbo. I have this puppy in my rig now and it overclocks quite well (from 250/550 to 315/670). But others could even push their memory beyond 700.

There is also a card from Asus, named 8420S ("S" stands for Superfast ;) ) which also uses 8 layer PCB´s and 3,3ns memory like the Albatron Turbo, but it´s a bit more expensive, because it seems that the name Asus alone justifies 30-40€ more :p
I bought the Turbo for 199€ 2 weeks ago, which I consider a good price for it.

ReDeeMeR
11-13-02, 01:35 PM
The card even with 3.3ns memory will collapse in 3-6 months at 700mhz :D

Wth the price 199 its not worth it, I'd better get Ti4600 for just couple bucks more and I'd be sure that it wont collapse at 700+mhz

DeM@rco
11-14-02, 08:34 AM
Okay, I tell You in 3-6 months then, if my card went up in flames :D

But seriously, I oc ´ed every single 3D- videocard I had (from Voodoo 1 to GeForce 4) to the limit and the only one, on which the memory collapsed, was my trusty Creative GeForce 256.
Maybe I have had just luck with them up till now, but I have good hopes that my Albatrons´ memory survives another 6-12 months of hot oc´ing ;)

GreetZ

ReDeeMeR
11-14-02, 10:56 AM
good luck :D

LORD-eX-Bu
11-14-02, 06:44 PM
My Ti 4600 does 320/735 max, I wanna get a new cooler and some ramsinks on there so I can turn it up more. I did see a good performance difference between Ti 4200 and 4600. I think 4600 is worth it.

False Christian
12-01-02, 06:56 AM
I think the Ti4400 is the best, in my humble opinion. I overclocked my Ti4400 from 275/550 to 330/630 and is very stable asnd fast!

The only thing I did was add DDR-SDRAM heatsinks onto the memory.

mcortz_2000
12-01-02, 05:21 PM
The memory on the standard GeForce 4 Ti 4600 can in Spec up to 714 and then you are starting the overclocking heat problem. Ramsinks will suffice but with voltage mods and Water cooling you can achieve up to 800Mhz and higher.
Anyway enough blabling and on to my point....
Each card has its appeal. The 4400 would be a wiser choice if you can find one with faster memory preferably hynix or samsung.
I enjoy having the faster memory as that is where the main performance boosts come from.
I understand this is not the rule but it tends to happen more oftion than not.

thcdru2k
12-01-02, 05:27 PM
in any situation where memory bandwidth is a concern, faster memory will offer better performance. 1600x1200 + higher, anistrophy, anti aliasing. Higher core offers benefits at low resolutions.

pelly
12-01-02, 06:14 PM
ReDeeMeR
The card even with 3.3ns memory will collapse in 3-6 months at 700mhz

Well, yours truly is currently running that EK Computers review sample GeForce4 Ti4200 at 315/715 without a hitch...

If you stop and realize that all the components on the board are essentially from the Ti4600 ( ie: PCB, A3 core, etc... ) these numbers shouldn't be all that surprising...

:D