Matrox going down

[sebazve]

have a look at what this engineer said

http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37155

bad days for matrox.

[Mono]

that sucks dude.. Matrox engineers have always been pretty innovative plus the cards were top notch quality. A shame thier getting reemed by tards who prolly have a community college degree in buisness.. or might as well. :(

[StealthHawk]

nothing wrong with having a community college degree...or no degree at all.

while in most cases you could probably draw a conclusion about someone's intelligence from having a degree or not, it isn't true about everyone.

my friend's dad works at TRW; he never went to college. he's also going to be hired by them as a consultant once he retires ;)

[Mono]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
nothing wrong with having a community college degree...or no degree at all.

while in most cases you could probably draw a conclusion about someone's intelligence from having a degree or not, it isn't true about everyone.

my friend's dad works at TRW; he never went to college. he's also going to be hired by them as a consultant once he retires ;)

Oh I know.. it was just a general cheap shot at thier managment.

[Chalnoth]

Originally posted by Mono
that sucks dude.. Matrox engineers have always been pretty innovative plus the cards were top notch quality. A shame thier getting reemed by tards who prolly have a community college degree in buisness.. or might as well. :(

Bah, Community College is great! Went there for my first 2.5 years of post-HS work. The teachers were generally at least of the same caliber as the lower-division teachers here at UC Davis. But the greatest thing is that I have no debt from those years, significantly reducing the amount I'm going to have to pay back.

Of course, people who go to CC and stop aren't being very intelligent...but there's absolutely nothing wrong with CC.

Anyway, back on topic. It is too bad that Matrox is going down the tubes, though I think the primary reason is that they didn't do a good job trying to continually break into the gaming market. Quite simply, their engineers just aren't good enough at designing a product for 3D games to succeed there. Hopefully they'll still be able to go back and focus on their primary market: business. If they can work on producing more solid business cards, and perhaps go for 3D workstation-level cards, they may still be able to stay in the game.

[Darth Rancid]

Sad.. but really, we've seen this comming for years now, haven't we?...

[thcdru2k]

sucks..my first videocard was a matrox mystique 4mb. i loved that thing.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Darth Rancid
Sad.. but really, we've seen this comming for years now, haven't we?...

i think bells should have been ringing in everyone's head when it was found that Parhelia performed too poorly to be considered a high end gaming card for its price. make no mistake, it IS Matrox's intent, otherwise why would the 3 monitor display be called "surround gaming" and why else would they bother(even for gaming this move makes no sense actually) releasing a 256MB version? they should be doing everything in their power to release Parhelia at a lower price.

[sebazve]

whats really makes me angry are those marketting guys that dont know a **** about anything.:mad: .

It is more sad that the parhelia could have been released much more earlier and it would surely kill ATI or any Nvidia product...

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by sebazve
It is more sad that the parhelia could have been released much more earlier and it would surely kill ATI or any Nvidia product...

Matrox would have had to released the Parhelia at the same time as the Radeon 8500 for that to have happened. It would have hurt ATI more than NVIDIA, especially since the Parhelia's shipping drivers were pretty bad.

Hopefully they'll still be able to go back and focus on their primary market: business. If they can work on producing more solid business cards, and perhaps go for 3D workstation-level cards, they may still be able to stay in the game.

I completely agree, though the workstation market may be a bit tough since 3DLabs is going to release the P10 on the world.

[ErrorS]

This is horrible.. if Parhelia was $150 or less I'd buy it in an instant... i know that wont happen though

I really really really want a Matrox card.. they need to release something that makes the price worth it.. and I hope they get to release a competitave card at a good price before they go under .. even if it doesnt save them, just so they can go out with a bang? seems like being privately owned just isnt possible for such a competitave market.. especially with managemnt as bad as this person says it is at matrox ..

maybe they'll go public.. dunno if it would save them, but it works for nvidia and ati ... Matrox has some great engineers and some support people that make me jealous of the matroxusers.com people ..

damn... i really want Matrox to come out of this with a product that whoops ati and nvidia's ass.. sets new standards and takes no1.. i know it wont happen, but it'd be nice .. im sick of ati and nvidia..

[Riptide]

Originally posted by Darth Rancid
Sad.. but really, we've seen this comming for years now, haven't we?...
Yes sad... But IMHO it was worse when Hercules sold. Now that was a *real* old school company...

[vitocorleone]

hmm. lately there's rumblings of a refresh/new chip coming out on the matroxusers forums. guess we'll see what comes of it and if it can help save the company

[Kev1]

I heard same thing that Vito heard, that soon a new Parhelia is going to be released that fixes all the current problems and is 30% faster :eek:

Thats good news to me. We need more competition and choices in the video card market, not less :)

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Kev1
I heard same thing that Vito heard, that soon a new Parhelia is going to be released that fixes all the current problems and is 30% faster :eek:

30% faster only puts it slightly above GF4Ti4600 performance. the thing that will make or break Matrox is price. if this card is $300 or over it's still not a good buy from a gaming perspective, as the R9700 and R9700Pro are both much more capable cards for a lower price than what the Parhelia refresh will undoubtedly be sold for.

[Chalnoth]

With a 256-bit memory bus, I don't see how it can possibly be price-competitive with the GeForce4 Ti 4600.

It might have been possible six months ago, but even then Matrox wouldn't be in nearly as good of a situation as nVidia. Going into the next few months, the situation is only getting worse for Matrox.

[saturnotaku]

Now if they were talking 30% faster than the Radeon 9700, they might have something. But 30% faster than what they have right now isn't much of a deal, especially if it's priced in line with where the Parhelia was when it first came out.

And there's no way this new card will come out in the Budget/Ti4200/R9500 price range. So that pretty much leaves Matrox in video card limbo. A card which won't be as fast as the current best, yet is too expensive to be considered a value product. :(

[Chalnoth]

Well, given the four textures per pixel pipeline, if they can get the aniso image quality up, the performance *should* be quite good. Additionally, if they can fix *all* of the problems with FAA, well, that would also be nice.

But, I think it would still be too little too late. With the 9700 already out, and probably at a similar manufacturing cost, and the NV30 on the way, the Parhelia doesn't stand much chance.

[sebazve]

one thing i dont really understand is that matrox is selling this card for gamers and 3d workstation. But for the price/performance is not a gamers card and a Geforce 4 ti4660 is a lot more faster than the parhelia in workstation apps let alone Quadros, Wilcats or FireGLs

So i dont quite follow their strategy or you make a gamers card or a 3d workstation one.

[thcdru2k]

matrox isn't going anywhere unless they increase their performance. maybe nvidia or ati would purchase them when they fall.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by sebazve
So i dont quite follow their strategy or you make a gamers card or a 3d workstation one.

that's the point of this thread. it isn't a strategy ;)

[Corona999]

Matrox and ATI should just merge. Heck, they're both Canadian companies, they might as well. Joining the engineering teams of Matrox with the teams in ATI will just crush Nvidia.

[FastM]

Damn that really sucks, i drive by that building every day on my way to work, i cant imagine it not being there one day....

[FastM]

Originally posted by Corona999
Matrox and ATI should just merge. Heck, they're both Canadian companies, they might as well. Joining the engineering teams of Matrox with the teams in ATI will just crush Nvidia.

That is an Awesome idea, i wonder if ATI has thought of buying them.... Or maybe there waiting to see if nVidia somewhat buying 3dfx was a good idea or not...

[Chalnoth]

Well, I think that it would be easier for ATI and Matrox to merge, as they are both Canadian. However, at the same time, I would also think that nVidia is in a much better financial position to make a purchase like this.