Chechen Rebels begin killing even more hostages.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

I am no fan of Russia or its military, but I am no fan of Al Quaeda backed terrorists taking over a theater and taking hostage hundreds of people that did nothing to them. I feel horrible and sad for all the innocent people that are still trapped inside(700+). It was reported that even more hostages have been killed and now tanks and more russian military are heading towards the theatre. There are Special Forces from many countries heading to Moscow to attempt a rescue but chances are that those Chechen idiots will blow the whole places to hell. It will take a miracle to save these hostages. If these stupid rebels want to end the war in Chechnya this is no way to do it, this will give Russia a reason to continue and step up its war. I for one don't care for the rebels, even the ones in Chechnya, it has already been shown that they have been working with Al Quaeda and funded by Bin Laden. They commit just as many atrocities as the Russian military and both in my eyes are bad. I pray that these Special Operations heading to Moscow, whoever they are and wherever they are from, can rescue as many hostages and kill as many of those rebels as possible.:(:mad:

[Cereal-Killer]

I can't see a happy ending in this hostage situation. These terrorists are willing to die and they will take as many hostages with them as they can. Truly horrible :(

[volt]

It's all over.

[sbp]

Thank goodness it didn't end up in a bloodbath.

With good reason the Russians are going to open up a can of whoopass on the Chechens.

Moscow theater siege over (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/25/moscow.siege/index.html)

Russian officials tell CNN that Russian forces have taken control of the Moscow theater where Chechen rebels were holding hundreds hostage.

Preliminary reports say that all the hostages have been freed and the leader of the Chechen rebels has been killed. The reports say that 20 bodies were being brought out of the theater building.

[The Baron]

If only 20 people died... that's amazing, given that there were 40 rebels and over 700 hostages.

Glad to see that not everything ends in death and destruction.

[Darth Rancid]

Swedish media are reporting 36 rebels and "many" hostages killed, and "most" of the hostages saved.
If "many" means around 40 or so, I'd still have to say the russian commandos did a good job...

I find the Swedish media to be rather stupid on this whole Chechen rebels issues... up until it turned out the Chechens had connections with Bin Laden, the media always seemed to sympathise with them, as if it was ok to blow up appartment buildings in Moscow as long as you didn't have anything to do with the guy who wants to destroy the US... odd.

[vampireuk]

They should have threatened to send the SAS in....that would have probably made them surrender:D

Taking hostages and shooting them is just stupid, they cant expect sympathy from the rest of the world when they start killing innocents.

[volt]

Spetsnaz is better!! :D

[Kruno]

I don't see how those Chechen rebels (actually terrorists NOT rebels) would expect to get what they want. Some people will just not bend over for terrorists anymore.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Rebel: re·bel Pronunciation Key (r-bl)
intr.v. re·belled, re·bel·ling, re·bels

1. To refuse allegiance to and oppose by force an established government or ruling authority.
2. To resist or defy an authority or a generally accepted convention.
3. To feel or express strong unwillingness or repugnance: She rebelled at the unwelcome suggestion.


www.dictionary.com is your best friend.

See that is a terrorist and they are terrorists not rebels. There is a threshold between rebelion and terrorism.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by vampireuk
They should have threatened to send the SAS in....that would have probably made them surrender:D

Taking hostages and shooting them is just stupid, they cant expect sympathy from the rest of the world when they start killing innocents.

I heard Russian Spec Ops, British(SAS I guess), Deutsch and American Specs ops(stationed at Ramstein AFB) were all poised to go into Moscow on a moment's notice. Its great to know that there are so many of these types of people in the world that are willing to put other people's lives above their own and go into a really high risk situation that nobody could come out and and still be willing to go in, even though they were not used.

[Gargr]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/27/moscow.putin/index.html

118 are dead, most of them from the gas

First, i want to know how do 53+(50 killed 3 captured) terrorists with tons of weapons explosives... get in the center of Moscow and take 800 hostages.

115 ppl die from the gas?
50 terrorists killed and only 3 captured. Did they just shoot the sleeping terrorists, or they all died from the gas? woudnt it be better to capture them?
Why dont they tell us what gas they used?

I have the feeling that more will die.

WTF is going on?

[vampireuk]

Quite a few were shot while unconcious I believe, as for the gasing wtf were they thinking? Also Russia wont let anyone see the casualties in hospital. They wont even let emassy officials in, again I say wtf were they thinking?

[nin_fragile14]

:(

This is going to cause some serious problems... 117 already dead, killed by their own government.

[vampireuk]

I'll say what I just said to a friend. How can Russia be in a posistion to veto a UN decision when they have just used a chemical weapon against their own people and also tourists....

[Darth Rancid]

More than a hundred hostages killed is surely bad... but it would most likely have been far worse if they hadn't used the gas... Had they gone in with commandos without the gas, it is more than likely that the terrorists would have gotten the time to shoot lots of hostages an explode the dynamite they had...

About them killing the terrorist when they were allready unconsious... maybe they only thought it would save time and money, since they would have gotten death penalty anyhow..Russia still have Capital Punishment, haven't they?...
I'm not saying that Commandos carrying out executions before the trial is right, but I'm not sure it made any difference in this case...

[vampireuk]

The way they are acting now though is not right. One British person was there and he is not allowed to see anyone at all. Russia are not making any friends here by acting the way they are.

[Darth Rancid]

I agree that russia is acting in a bad manner right now... but one must consider that they have no tradition of democracy or what we in the Western World refers to as individual freedom and all that... for lots of years, they were ruled by an old-style despot, the czar, who didn't care one bit about individuals among the people...
Then, they had the Soviet dictatorship, which wasn't all the nice either... They, the russian authorities, have no experience of "being nice"... it will probably take lots of time before they learn how to run a country effectively "western style".

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by vampireuk
The way they are acting now though is not right. One British person was there and he is not allowed to see anyone at all. Russia are not making any friends here by acting the way they are.

Yeah, we have 2 americans there too, don't know their condition or whereabouts, and 1 russian with permanent American residence and the same thing. The terrorists said they would start killing the hostages at 6am that morning if they didn't see Russia do anything about Chechnya pullout. I don't know the details, but what the Russians did was probably out of despiration. The Russian Spec ops screwwed up with the gas, I have no problem with them killing the terrorists, sleeping or not, but they should have waited until a more capable special operations group or groups arrived in Moscow before taking any action. Its really sad that so many innocent people died, more than the terrorists killed, but I guess it was what the Russians thought had to be done. It was probably the best they were capable of in the situation, but they should have waited until a more capable force arrived.

[[Corporal Dan]]

Ironically,

the hostage situation was started by muslim extremists.

why am i not surprised.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by [Corporal Dan]
Ironically,

the hostage situation was started by muslim extremists.

why am i not surprised.

They are also funded by Bin Laden.

[[Corporal Dan]]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
They are also funded by Bin Laden.

a double-whammy

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Saddam Hussein called them, and told them to end the takeover because it they continued it that would divert hate away from America and Israel, and that those are the real enemy and not the Russians.

[[Corporal Dan]]

what were the demands again?

they want russia to pull of of checnya (or however the hell you spell it)?

The russians have been there for like a decade.

what the russians should do is bring the terrorists' families/cousins/uncles/grannies/watever to the teater and start capping them one by one .

That'll get the hostages out.

[[Corporal Dan]]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Saddam Hussein called them, and told them to end the takeover because it they continued it that would divert hate away from America and Israel, and that those are the real enemy and not the Russians.

HAHAHA!

That's funny!

omg

[t6_shadow]

Yep there is no need to do anything about terrorism! **** I still want to talk it out over milk and cookies!.

Once again. All these flange suckers needed to die by ANY MEANS.

erm ****s not on the swear filter? Then it was edited out... cough commie censorship cough.