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Who is more guilty for the Conflicts in Israel ?
vampireuk
10-27-02, 02:08 PM
I say they are both at fault, neither are helping towards any peace process and are both commiting attrocities.
intercede007
10-27-02, 02:09 PM
OMG, you and I can agree on something!!!!! :D
thcdru2k
10-27-02, 02:20 PM
ehh i agree, both sides.
anyway this is too sensitive of a question for anyone to honestly answer one way or another.
[Corporal Dan]
10-27-02, 02:50 PM
arab leaders
they havent done much (read: anything) to stop suicide bombers
Mod: I believe you forgot about one important one: America.
Let me know if you want me to add it. ;)
EDIT: done :>
Originally posted by volt
Mod: I believe you forgot about one important one: America.
Let me know if you want me to add it. ;)
Put it ! Ha, you have shuch a good mod ! Put it , let's see what (if something) happens ! :)
I forgot this option ! Ha ! Put it ! :)
Write USA in the option :)
LORD-eX-Bu
10-27-02, 03:39 PM
Arab extremists. Everytime peace is a possibility, even the faintest hint of it, Hamas or another one of those groups has to come along and blow some old lady or little kid up and escalate the situation.
netviper13
10-27-02, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Arab extremists. Everytime peace is a possibility, even the faintest hint of it, Hamas or another one of those groups has to come along and blow some old lady or little kid up and escalate the situation.
Yet Israel isn't being any better when they bomb a settlement and kill Palestinian kids.
Nobody is innocent in this situation.
t6_shadow
10-27-02, 07:14 PM
"Yet Israel isn't being any better when they bomb a settlement and kill Palestinian kids.
Nobody is innocent in this situation."
WTF are they supposed to bomb? They terrorist HQs are in civilian buildings there smart guy. They do that so when attacked civilians die. Makes for good press for their intrests. Isreal is DEFENDING itself. Period.
netviper13
10-27-02, 08:19 PM
That's the problem with the whole circle of violence. There is no "official" beginning to the violence, therefore each side always claims self-defense for its killing of civillians.
If you're attempting to justify the killing of civillians under the guise of self-defense, then go right on ahead and also speak positively of the Holocaust; because that's exactly the rhetoric Hitler used to get into power.
I don't give a damn if the terrorists locate their HQs in civillian buildings, that doesn't justify slaughtering the innocent. Suppose some Hezbollah members decided to take over your house, would you think very kindly of your government blowing you into tiny bits for something you didn't participate in or have any control over? Don't think so.
Look, I don't favor the killing of civillians, period. Not under the command of any God, not in self-defense, never! But that applies to ALL parties, not just the side that doesn't kiss Uncle Sam's rear every year (I can rhyme :D).
There's more than enough blame to go around for this sad situation. Not much the world can do-peace can't be forced on those who don't want it and it wouldn't stay that way.
Unfortunately both sides are too entrenched in the cycle of violence to stop and wrongly believes it can defeat the other though force. The Palestinian homicide bombers stop attention from being focused on other issues like the land grab.
Q: How do you solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict?
A: Don't answer it, it's a trick question.
CybrSage
10-27-06, 12:11 PM
I take a look at the situation, and ask these questions (to find out who the bad guys are):
1. If Israel destroyed all its weapons, pulled completely back to the UN line, and refused to fight ever again, what would happen?
2. If Palestine destroyed all its weapons, recognized Israel's right to exist, and refused to fight ever again, what would happen?
In question 1, the nation of Israel would cease to exist and the slaughter of Jews would commence - ending only after a thorough genocide.
In question 2, the nation of Palestine would come into existance and peace would reign in the area.
This tells me who wants peace and who only wants death and pain.
In question 1, the nation of Israel would cease to exist and the slaughter of Jews would commence - ending only after a thorough genocide.
Wrong Answer. my Opinion is the opposite.
Riptide
10-27-06, 12:23 PM
Holy thread revival!
Saint Lucifer
10-27-06, 01:18 PM
Holy thread revival!
You have to commend the timing, though.
Wrong Answer. my Opinion is the opposite.
Your wrong as usual. Cyber is right.
CybrSage
10-27-06, 02:25 PM
Wrong Answer. my Opinion is the opposite.
Your point, while I respect it, is not supported by recent history. When Israel first came into existance, and had almost no guns, all of its neighbors invaded it.
Then, when they had guns, all of its neighbors invaded it again.
During these wars, Palestine ceased to be a state (though technically it never was one to start with).
Israel has already started the "land for peace" process, during which they gave land to Palestine but never got peace.
Your point, while I respect it, is not supported by recent history. When Israel first came into existance, and had almost no guns, all of its neighbors invaded it.
Then, when they had guns, all of its neighbors invaded it again.
During these wars, Palestine ceased to be a state (though technically it never was one to start with).
Israel has already started the "land for peace" process, during which they gave land to Palestine but never got peace.
they first came to existence by "guns". I guess it is normal to have war when this land was considered ours -Arabs- before it was given to Jews because the English thought they "own" it. Well, They don't! they only invaded our land for a period of time and that doesn't mean they own it.
Anyway I think everything would have been fine if they didn't try to gain control over that land.
We don't have to debate over because I have my thoughts and you have yours and I guess it is hard to change our opinions about this subject. :)
DiscipleDOC
10-27-06, 02:50 PM
they first came to existence by "guns". I guess it is normal to have war when this land was considered ours -Arabs- before it was given to Jews because the English thought they "own" it. Well, They don't! they only invaded our land for a period of time and that doesn't mean they own it.
Anyway I think everything would have been fine if they didn't try to gain control over that land.
We don't have to debate over because I have my thoughts and you have yours and I guess it is hard to change our opinions about this subject. :)
And again, YOU'RE WRONG! They came into existence because of the UN making them a nation (If you ever get the chance, read bknblk's sig--you'll get a kick out of it!)
Just in case you don't know how to do that, I'll quote it for ya:
The whole idea of a Palestinian nation and a Palestinian people is an invention of Arab propaganda. Arafat was himself an Egyptian. The only people to have lived continuously on the land from time immemorial¯ are Jews. So many others have conquered, ruled, thrived and ultimately perished there that the list would take hundreds of pages. A mere sample would include: Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Kurds, Abbassids (Iraqis), Egyptians, Kharezmians (Genghis Khan), Mamluks, Mongols, Latins (Crusaders), Ottomans, French and English.
It is not and never was Palestinian land.¯
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God,
then we will be a nation gone under."....Ronald Reagan
Rakeesh
10-27-06, 02:52 PM
Who is more guilty for the Conflicts in Israel ?
Muslims, who else?
they first came to existence by "guns". I guess it is normal to have war when this land was considered ours -Arabs- before it was given to Jews because the English thought they "own" it. Well, They don't! they only invaded our land for a period of time and that doesn't mean they own it.
Anyway I think everything would have been fine if they didn't try to gain control over that land.
We don't have to debate over because I have my thoughts and you have yours and I guess it is hard to change our opinions about this subject. :)
What the hell are you talking about? When the zionist movement started (in th elat 1800s) the Jews in America helped fund land buying deals of the swamps in Israel. They bought the land while the Jordanians laughted at them because the land was all swamp. They drained the swamps and planted tens of thousands of trees an built up cities.
Know your region's history.
And again, YOU'RE WRONG! They came into existence because of the UN making them a nation (If you ever get the chance, read bknblk's sig--you'll get a kick out of it!)
Just in case you don't know how to do that, I'll quote it for ya:
Sorry, you are Stupid.
Sorry, you are Stupid.
I thought I was?
You don't love me any more. :cry:
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