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User Name
08-01-04, 12:34 AM
I'm building an Athlon 64 system and was wondering if anyone has any tips or any suggestions to use different parts. The budget is $1200.. but I went over a bit, unfortunately ($1345.98). Here are the parts I have selected so far:

Case:
XBlade w/450 Watt PSU and LCD Controller (Already Bought)
$75.00

Motherboard:
GIGABYTE "GA-K8NS PRO" nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=0&item=13-128-241
$117.00

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor, (2.0GHz, 1MB, 1600MHz, Socket 754), Brand New, Retail Box)
http://www.lowtag.com/amd643200.html
$204.00

Cooling:
Thermaltake SILENT BOOST For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 (All Copper) -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-036&depa=0
$29.99

I'm looking for a 120mm case fan and a 90mm case fan, both should be pretty strong yet silent. Any suggestions?
Is this one any good? I like the fact that I can manually adjust its speed.
Thermaltake A2018 DC Fan Seires - Smart Case Blue LED 120mm Cooling Fan Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370464
~$30.00-$40.00

Ram:
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 1GB DDR400 XMS3200 Dual-Channel Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-16&ps=ho3
$228.00

Hard Drive:
2x Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JD 200GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101213-1
$252.00

Graphics Card:
BFG Technologies GeForce 6800 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 AGP Graphics Card
http://www.chumbo.com/info.asp?s=855650000500
$399.99

Total:
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$1345.98

Sazar
08-01-04, 04:01 AM
to help get you started...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32595

prices accurate as of post date...

wrt to your selection it looks pretty decent... perhaps to cut the costs for now you can make do with a single hdd? unless you plan to stripe or mirror...

Gator
08-01-04, 09:11 AM
That computer is just about PERFECT! You will be in gaming heaven if you piece that together.

I hereby give you my thumbs up! :thumbsup:

Gorion
08-01-04, 10:55 AM
I have that MB and I'll tell you to definately get the new bios and flash it so your mem will run at 200mhz. The prob is after that you cant monitor your temps or voltages with EZTune4. I'm hoping the next bios will fix that. This is the only issue I am having. Other than that it is a rock solid board. You may want to consider the MSI K8N Neo.

But the Gigabyte is a good board but don't beat your head on your desk wondering why your mem will only run at 166.

User Name
08-01-04, 11:20 AM
Case:
XBlade w/450 Watt PSU and LCD Controller (Already Bought)
$75.00

Motherboard:
I chose a different motherboard. The one I had before was based on the nForce250 chipset whereas this one is based on the nForce250Gb chipset. The 250Gb chipset has some extra features I like. Overall I chose the motherboard because of supposedly good stability and overclockability. Also, the board features AGP lock and PCI lock, good for overclocking.

MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 250Gb Athlon 64 Skt754 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, LAN, RAID/SATA Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241132
$122.00


CPU:
I chose a sightly different CPU too. The store I selected before doesn't have any reviews and they dont look too promising (esp. when you look at their return policy :retard:. The CPU has less L2 Cache and is the newcastle core. From the benchmarks I have seen, there is no difference in performance. I'm also looking at getting the 3000+ instead of the 3200+. It saves ~$50 and from what I understand, the performance difference is not substantial. Also, maybe I can overclock the 3000 to get 3200 performance out of it? Does anyone have any tips? Would PC3200 still be ideal for a 3000? Should I go with PC3500 and the 3200 Athlon?

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor Socket 754 Retail (Newcastle Core, L1-128KB L2-512KB, 2.2GHz)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80701-R
$212.00 + Free copy of FarCry


Cooling:
Thermaltake SILENT BOOST For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 (All Copper) -RETAIL
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370488
$27.95

Thermaltake A2018 DC Fan Seires - Smart Case Blue LED 120mm Cooling Fan Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370464
$17.95


RAM:
Is this ram good? mmm, it says Dual-Channel and the page empasizes that its built for dual channel. The AMD Athlon 64 (non-FX) is single channel... will this be a problem? All dual channel memory SHOULD work single channel from what I understand. The main thing I want to get out of the ram I get is tight timings (something like 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 CAS 2 or 2.5) and a descent FSB overclock. I hear that Corsair XMS ram is good for overclocking. Also, should I look into PC3500 instead?

Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 1GB DDR400 XMS3200 Dual-Channel Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-16&ps=ho3
$228.00


Hard Drives:
I am planning to run a striped RAID array with these two drives therefore I can't cut one of them. I also don't want to lower their size because I currently have a 120, two 80s, a 40, a 30, and a 20 and that's still not enough space. :angel2:

2x Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JD 200GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101213-1
$252.00


Grapics Card:
The GT because the Ultra seems not worth the extra $100. Also, maybe I can overclock the GT to near-Ultra speeds.

BFG Technologies GeForce 6800 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 AGP Graphics Card
http://www.chumbo.com/info.asp?s=855650000500
$399.99


Total:
$1334.89


Overall, the most uncertain part remains the combination of RAM, CPU, and Motherboard. I'm worried that the computer will end up like some horror story as far as compatability goes. Also, I will probably need a new PSU because mine only delivers 18A on the 12V rail. 18A is the minimum for Athlon 64 systems and since the computer will have a GeForce 6800 I feel it is a wise investment to get a good, solid power supply.

User Name
08-01-04, 11:35 AM
to help get you started...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32595

prices accurate as of post date...

wrt to your selection it looks pretty decent... perhaps to cut the costs for now you can make do with a single hdd? unless you plan to stripe or mirror...

Thanks, that thread was pretty useful. I do plan to stripe the drives so I can't cut one of them.


I have that MB and I'll tell you to definately get the new bios and flash it so your mem will run at 200mhz. The prob is after that you cant monitor your temps or voltages with EZTune4. I'm hoping the next bios will fix that. This is the only issue I am having. Other than that it is a rock solid board. You may want to consider the MSI K8N Neo.

But the Gigabyte is a good board but don't beat your head on your desk wondering why your mem will only run at 166.

Ah, yes. I was a bit concerned about that (people reported the same problem in reviews). Thank you for the useful tip. The motherboard I'm looking at right now is that MSI K8N Neo you wrote about. I like the board very much. The nForce250Gb chipset is nice and from what I read the board is good for overclocking thanks in part to the AGP and PCI locks.


That computer is just about PERFECT! You will be in gaming heaven if you piece that together.

I hereby give you my thumbs up!


Thanks :P I don't think it's quite perfect yet, though. I'm still uncertain about alot of things as far as compatability and overclocking goes. I'm trying to make a "most-bang-for-the-buck" system. The hardest kind to make @_@. The only things i'm certain about are the hard drives, video card, silent boost CPU cooler, and the case (cause I already have it :P).

Spags
08-01-04, 11:48 AM
I'd strongly recommend AGAINST the MSI Neo KN8 board. I've had this board and it has been problematic for me and many other people. Just head over the the MSI forums and take a look. It generally doesn't overclock well, the temperature readings are way messed up (even with a few BIOS attempts to fix it), and it's priced more then the other nForce3 250Gb boards!

User Name
08-01-04, 01:26 PM
I'd strongly recommend AGAINST the MSI Neo KN8 board. I've had this board and it has been problematic for me and many other people. Just head over the the MSI forums and take a look. It generally doesn't overclock well, the temperature readings are way messed up (even with a few BIOS attempts to fix it), and it's priced more then the other nForce3 250Gb boards!


Thanks, I took a look at the forums and indeed I have found many issues and complaints about the board. I will definately not buy it now. Hmm does anyone know a good motherboard with AGP 8x, Firewire, SATA RAID, Gigabit Lan, AGP and PCI locking and/or good overclocking results (edit: preferably the nForce3 250Gb chipset) that isn't screwed up like this board is? I'm kinda looking for a "wonder-board" :P. Price is not an issue with the motherboard. I realize that it is an extremely important component of the computer and am willing to even pay $200 for one as long as its the best of the best. I want to kindof lean away from Asus because three of my friends all bought Asus motherboards (at different times throughout the year) and all of them had major troubles. One came DOA and he had extreme troubles exchanging it, the other refused to work with All-In-Wonder cards and ran unstable with other cards stock speed, and the last (Kamel's) would not boot or display any video (or beep or talk for that matter) even after he exchanged it for a second one of the same (afterwards he just returned the board and got a DFI LanParty which worked perfect). So i'm afraid to get an Asus, especially since now many online stores have an "only-exchange for same model" policy for their motherboards. Therefore I am very worried. I need to get the motherboard right first time: anyone who can share their experiences with any motherboard or company would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: some spelling corretions

Gator
08-01-04, 01:35 PM
... I'm trying to make a "most-bang-for-the-buck" system. The hardest kind to make @_@. The only things i'm certain about are the hard drives, video card, silent boost CPU cooler, and the case (cause I already have it :P).

If that's the case, then the only change I'd recommend is the memory. You can get Mushkin 512mb PC3200 cas2.5 DDR sticks for $81 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-219&depa=0) each! So if you got two sticks that would be $162, saving you $66 from your original choice. About the only real difference is the cas speed from 2.0 to 2.5, which might not be noticable anyway. And heatspreaders are overrated unless you're gonna actually clock the memory out of spec, and even then it's questionable how much they help with active cooling.

nvnews-reader
08-01-04, 01:58 PM
Do the Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JD s have a native interface?

{Sniping}Waste
08-01-04, 02:09 PM
Do the Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JD s have a native interface?
No the first drive the do are going to be seagate and maxtor.

User Name
08-01-04, 02:16 PM
If that's the case, then the only change I'd recommend is the memory. You can get Mushkin 512mb PC3200 cas2.5 DDR sticks for $81 each! So if you got two sticks that would be $162, saving you $66 from your original choice. About the only real difference is the cas speed from 2.0 to 2.5, which might not be noticable anyway. And heatspreaders are overrated unless you're gonna actually clock the memory out of spec, and even then it's questionable how much they help with active cooling.


Thats a pretty attractive deal. However, I plan on doing some overclocking and pushing the ram past spec. The timings on the Mushkin RAM are a bit loose (2.5-4-4 compared to corsair's 2-3-3) and I doubt they will overclock as well. I think I can rally up an extra $200 and extend my budget to $1400 but if I can't, I will definately fall back on the Mushkin RAM. Thanks for the tip.

User Name
08-01-04, 02:19 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by nvnews-reader

Do the Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JD s have a native interface?


No the first drive the do are going to be seagate and maxtor.


Did I miss something? What is native interface? I have never bought a SATA drive before.

Gator
08-01-04, 02:26 PM
Thats a pretty attractive deal. However, I plan on doing some overclocking and pushing the ram past spec. The timings on the Mushkin RAM are a bit loose (2.5-4-4 compared to corsair's 2-3-3) and I doubt they will overclock as well. I think I can rally up an extra $200 and extend my budget to $1400 but if I can't, I will definately fall back on the Mushkin RAM. Thanks for the tip.

if you wanna overclock, maybe it would be easier to get some higher rated ram instead? Maybe something like PC3500, PC3700, or PC4000. Of course the only problem with this is loser timings, but at least it'll gurantee the speeds you want ;)

Sazar
08-01-04, 02:31 PM
I'd strongly recommend AGAINST the MSI Neo KN8 board. I've had this board and it has been problematic for me and many other people. Just head over the the MSI forums and take a look. It generally doesn't overclock well, the temperature readings are way messed up (even with a few BIOS attempts to fix it), and it's priced more then the other nForce3 250Gb boards!

coupla people are running that board on these forums and they appear not to have any problems... juice seems to be running his cpu with a 245 odd mhz fsb which imo is a bloody good oc for an a64 system...

its the board I am planning to migrate to in a coupla months actually :)

npras42
08-01-04, 02:36 PM
Yes, I have the memory that you want. Its good, but fastest timing you will get is 2.0-3-2-5. I have mine running only at 200Mhz, but you can go as far as 210 on these timings. Personally, if I had the choice I would go for faster rated with slower timings like the person above me says.

Also, if you dont plan on overclocking, then go for the Asus K8V SE Deluxe. Its a very good and stable motherboard but it doesn't have a PCI/AGP lock. Hasn't caused me any problems yet with my OC, but other people have had serious trouble. However, it should be very cheap now, and with no OC, it is a truly good MoBo for anybody, and if you're lucky (like me) then good for OC too.

EDIT: And for case fans, go for anything Panaflo. They're the best and not too expensive. Personally, I wouldn't bother with the CPU cooler, as its quite good, but its not all that quiet (I've heard much much worse e.g. stock AMD Athlon XP coolers).

About the RAID thing too. Take a look at Tom's Hardware Guide on their RAID review. If you look at the performance its really not worth it.

{Sniping}Waste
08-01-04, 03:45 PM
Here is some new mem thats out now from Crucial.
http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/store/listmodule.asp
Its there new ballistix line with higher speeds and lower timings.
There PC4000 looks good for cas 2.5.

User Name
08-01-04, 03:47 PM
About the RAID thing too. Take a look at Tom's Hardware Guide on their RAID review. If you look at the performance its really not worth it.

What RAID review? I can't find any article about RAID0 performance. I found the RAID 5 article, however. Can you please give me a link to the specific article that shows that RAID0's performance is not that good?


Also, if you dont plan on overclocking, then go for the Asus K8V SE Deluxe. Its a very good and stable motherboard but it doesn't have a PCI/AGP lock. Hasn't caused me any problems yet with my OC, but other people have had serious trouble. However, it should be very cheap now, and with no OC, it is a truly good MoBo for anybody, and if you're lucky (like me) then good for OC too.

I do plan on overclocking, and as I said earlier I am afraid to buy an Asus board. "but other people have had serious trouble" really worries me too. It's not "very" cheap, it's about the same price as the other ones I have picked out. I must say though that 2-3-2-5 are very nice timings.


coupla people are running that board on these forums and they appear not to have any problems... juice seems to be running his cpu with a 245 odd mhz fsb which imo is a bloody good oc for an a64 system...

Thats very nice. What RAM and CPU (3200?) does he have?



if you wanna overclock, maybe it would be easier to get some higher rated ram instead? Maybe something like PC3500, PC3700, or PC4000. Of course the only problem with this is loser timings, but at least it'll gurantee the speeds you want

Yes, it would be easier to get higher rated ram. But the prices really make me run away :P. Really, i'm looking for excellent timings at a decent FSB... maybe 213mhz-218mhz or so. I read that the 3000+ is actually a better chip for overclocking than the 3200+ is. Does anyone know anything about that? About the ram, I have found some more sticks with good timings. I am currently deciding between the following:

my original pick:
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 1GB DDR400 XMS3200 Dual-Channel Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...80097-16&ps=ho3
2-3-3: $228.00

this higher rated PC3500 ram, but the timings arent listed (that scares me):
2x SimpleTech SNX3500C3/512 512MB DDR433 PC3500 Nitro High Speed Memory Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85013-7
$103.00*2 = $206.00 / $22 cheaper

this ram:
2x OCZ Performance Series 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 Rev 3
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-898&depa=1
2.5-3-3-6 on AMD systems: $110.00*2 = $220.00 / $8 cheaper

this cheap ram:
2x SupremeTop Value Series 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200, Model ST400GD512 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-222-006&depa=1
2.5-4-4-8 2T: $80.00*2 = $160.00 / $68 cheaper

and this cheap ram:
2x Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-219&depa=0
2.5-4-4: $81.00*2 = $162.00 / $66 cheaper

edit: also found this ram:
OCZ Performance Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-833&depa=1
$119.00*2 = $238.00 / $10 more
This ram costs a bit more but the customer ratings are way better and many report really good a overclocking experience with them
"Overclocking on an Asus P4P800 Deluxe: 208Mhz@2-3-3-6 242Mhz@2.5-3-3-6 250Mhz@3-3-3-6"


Here is some new mem thats out now from Crucial.
http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/store/listmodule.asp
Its there new ballistix line with higher speeds and lower timings.
There PC4000 looks good for cas 2.5.

Looks pretty good, but its a tad expensive (~280-290 for 1GB)

npras42
08-01-04, 04:50 PM
What RAID review? I can't find any article about RAID0 performance. I found the RAID 5 article, however. Can you please give me a link to the specific article that shows that RAID0's performance is not that good?


Sorry. It wasn't THG. It was on AnandTech.

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101&p=1

This is testing two WD Raptor's in RAID 0.

Kamel
08-01-04, 05:18 PM
IMO that would have to do with the controller card as far as read/write access times. the only direction for raid0 to go is up unless the controller card is holding you back.

User Name
08-01-04, 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by User Name

What RAID review? I can't find any article about RAID0 performance. I found the RAID 5 article, however. Can you please give me a link to the specific article that shows that RAID0's performance is not that good?

Sorry. It wasn't THG. It was on AnandTech.

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sh...aspx?i=2101&p=1

This is testing two WD Raptor's in RAID 0



IMO that would have to do with the controller card as far as read/write access times. the only direction for raid0 to go is up unless the controller card is holding you back.


Either way, even IF I don't get any performance out of it I need the disk space really bad. Also, I agree with kamel, it must have alot to do with the controller card. If you have a drive that reads at 60MB/sec, naturally if you read from two drives at the same time you will get 120MB/sec if they are on seperate channels/if the controller card is capable of handling it. When I get my system, I will do some benchmarks of my own regarding this issue :) but I am definitely going dual 200GB--wether i make it RAID or not.

edit:
Regarding the CPU...
There are three models of the 3200+ acording to AMDs website:
ADA3200AEP4AX 3200+ 2200MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 512MB
ADA3200AEP5AR 3200+ 2000MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 1MB
ADA3200AEP5AP 3200+ 2000MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 1MB

It appears that the 2200MHz one is the newcastle core because of its smaller L2 Cahce. The one sold here http://www.lowtag.com/amd643200.html looks like its one of the 2000MHZ ones and the one sold here http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80701-R looks like its the 2200MHz newcastle core chip. I'm no expert but im thinking its better to go with the 2000MHz chip with 1MB cache and OC it to 2200MHz.

Anyone have any tips? Also, the $50 cheaper 3000+ is pretty attractive/almost identical to the 3200+:
ADA3000AEP4AX 3000+ 2000MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 512KB
ADA3000AEP4AR 3000+ 2000MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 512KB
ADA3000AEP4AP 3000+ 2000MHz 754-Pin OμPGA 1.50V 70º C 512KB

If I up it to 2200MHz, it would be the same as the ADA3200AEP4AX listed above assuming the architecture is the same (newcastle).

User Name
08-01-04, 09:44 PM
New Updated Current List (Version 3):

//////////////////// "For Sure List" ///////////////////////////
XBlade w/450 Watt PSU and LCD Controller (Already Bought)
$75.00

Thermaltake SILENT BOOST For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 (All Copper) -RETAIL
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370488
$27.95

Thermaltake A2018 DC Fan Seires - Smart Case Blue LED 120mm Cooling Fan Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370464
$17.95

I veered away from the Western Digital drives in favor of the 5 year Seagate warranty and because people seem to be having trouble with Western Digital
Seagate 200GB 7200RPM Barracuda 7200.7 SATA Hard Drive, Model ST3200822AS, OEM Drive Only
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-033&depa=0
$260.00

BFG Technologies GeForce 6800 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 AGP Graphics Card
http://www.chumbo.com/info.asp?s=855650000500
$399.99
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"For Sure" Parts: $772.89


CPU:
I have decided that this processor is the way to go. I have read about good success at overclocking the ClawHammer 1MB L2 2000MHz.
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor (2.0GHz, 1MB, 2000MHz core, Socket 754, Brand New, Retail Box)
http://www.lowtag.com/amd643200.html
$204.00

RAM:
As far as RAM goes, I'm gonna search for some PC4000 ram I can tighten the timings on. It'll leave plenty of room open for overclocking and at the same time give me freedom with the timings. Price is KILLING me, maybe i'll look for PC3700...

Motherboard:
Makes me want to cry :(
Anyone know a board with no issues? It seems like every motherboard these days is screwed up... I don't even care what chipset it is anymore, as long as it has AGP 8x, LAN (100mbit is fine), IEEE 1394, SATA RAID, and overclocks well.

PSU:
Looks like im gonna hafta buy a PSU, my generic 450Watt won't cut it... sigh
(ack) (ack) money is killing me (ack) (ack)

Sazar
08-01-04, 09:47 PM
looks good :)

let us know when you get it m8...

wrt psu whats your specs?

as long as you have decent amps on the 12v rail you should probably be fine even with that graphics card...

I am pulling 27A on the 12v rail and likely hoping its enough for a next-gen card when I get my mitts on one :cool:

Viral
08-02-04, 12:12 AM
Apparently OCZ 3700EL overclocks very well (just as good as most faster rated RAM). Look into that for the price.

As for the motherboard, This is hard to recommend since I don't know of anyone who has bought one, but the Epox 8KDA3+ proved to be a very good board (especially for overclocking) in Anandtech's S754 roundup.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2063&p=6

It looks fairly standard, but most Epox boards do. It uses the Gb chipset and seems to be the best overclocker out (no one has proven this to me yet though).

If i were buying S754, I would go for this board followed by the MSI K8N Neo Platinum.

User Name
08-02-04, 12:22 AM
looks good

let us know when you get it m8...

wrt psu whats your specs?

as long as you have decent amps on the 12v rail you should probably be fine even with that graphics card...

I am pulling 27A on the 12v rail and likely hoping its enough for a next-gen card when I get my mitts on one


I can't get it yet :/ Haven't decided on a mobo or ram yet. I can't seem to find a good motherboard that doesn't have any problems with it and I am torn between the decision of about 10 sets of RAM... was hoping people could post what worked (and didn't work) for them, and what OC they acheived with it.