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Uttar
10-29-02, 10:52 AM
In the recently released Are You Ready video on the nVidia website, everyone would like to think there are hints in it.

But it isn't by hoping you're gonna find them - and that's why i tried to find suspect things in the video.
So let's make a favor to nVidia and try to guess it all!

Between 0:13-0:15, if you pause the video, you can see black images being put on.
On the right, there seems to be a siren. In the middle, maybe some type of harpy ( there seems to be wings, but i'm not sure ). You can't see the bottom of the harpy and the only clothes she have is to protect her breast.
About the same thing can be said of the siren, beside that you can see her tail ( that's how you call the bottom of a siren, right? If it isn't, sorry. Please correct me, my native language isn't English after all )
I'm NOT being pervert and inventing things. This is really the only image i can see. If anyone got to be called pervert, then it's nVidia, LOL.
Please do not think this justifies the GeSpot rumor. Thank you.


Between 0:17 and 0:21, if you pause the video and put your monitor contrast/brightness to the maximum ( it's really dark by default ) , you can see a GPU ( Or anyway, i'd guess it's a GPU. It could just as well be a CPU or something else )
I've got no idea what type of GPU this is. At the same time, there's the "From the creators of the GeForce4" comment, so i'd guess it's a GF4.

Also, at 0:20, you seem to see that this is the end of the card as you see ports. However, when i compare the visible zone with a GF4, it doesn't look really identical. Maybe it's simply because the the quality is VERY bad, or....
*maybe* that card is a NV30. It's unlikely, but who knows... After all, since it taped out, that seems possible.


At 0:23, you see a guy with a T-Shirt. The logo on it is, err, strange. I doubt it means anything, but since it's kinda in evidence got 1 second, it makes me think it got a meaning. Bad quality even with broadband unables me be sure of what it is...
My best guess is that it's some kind of tree. However, the strange part on the left confuses me. Maybe it's a T-Shirt company logo.
If it is, then i'll look really dumb making all those guesses :)

At 0:24, you can see an employee cubicle, and you see an awful lot of things on the wall. Bad quality unables us to read anything.
This is VERY speculative, but i kinda see some type of paper-created jester in the bottom left side of the most visible wall. And on top of it, some type of thing which tries to attack him.
If i'm not just becoming insane, i'd say the jester is ATI ( Hercules is using the jester for the 9700 box, IIRC ) , too happy of their victory. And the thing attacking it, maybe by surprise, is nVidia.
Another theory is that's it's a snake ( ATI ), trying to poison nVidia, but they are taken by surprise.

Yeah, i'm insane. :)


Anyway, at 0:25, you can see a computer screen for, oh, about 5ms.
The only thing i can hope is that NV30 image quality will be better than that :P
Only thing visible on that image is that there are two fields on top of it. That would make me guess it's a login & password entry.
If you look VERY closely, you can see a part of the image is darker. This could mean it's actually Windows Desktop and that he's selecting something, and it then asks him for a password.

Another explanation, a lot less logical IMO, is that nVidia *did* implement multiple render targets in the NV30. But now, that would be the strangest hint ever, hehe.


All i can say about 0:28 is: "All those cars ARE insured, right?" - wouldn't want nVidia employees the delay the NV30 even more because their car got stolen, they can't get a new one and are too lazy to walk to their company building :)


Between 0:30 and 0:34, i'd say the idea is very simple.
First, before graphic acceleration cards, everything was like that cartoon ( and, again, there are only *females* in that cartoon... Bad nVidia employees! No more porn at work from now on! ) . Then, the Geforce 1 came and there were LOADS and LOADS of polygons.
And then... came the NV30 revolution, which basically said "Polygons are nice, but what about high-quality shading? Isn't it better?"
The fact it's a "revolution" seems to be made evident by the light moving very rapidly on between the bottom-left & the top-right corners of the image. That would indicate that this is the effect of the NV30 on that wireframe we seen before.
This light is VERY fast, so it ain't easy to see it well.
Which is a very condensed resume of David Kirk's opinion on how more triangles can't increase quality that much anymore, we need more quality, not more quantity.

At 0:35, however, nVidia did a small mistake. For a few milliseconds, if you look at the top of the image, you can see some type of bar. No idea what it is. It could be a lot of things, but i'd say that mostly indicates this isn't real-time rendering but it's what they did using a simulator.
So, if it's a simulator, that likely means the drivers are still buggy :) Or maybe it's just the engineers refused to let the Relations departements touch their precious card *grins*

Also, if you look in the middle, you'll there there IS a mouse.
You'll also that for a few milliseconds, just before the fire effect, there is some type of big target cursor in it.
What i mean by "target cursor" is what you often see in a FPS instead of the mouse.
I'd guess this is used to activate the final corona effect and say where it's supposed to be ( yes, there's a corona effect, but it's only visible by using pause very rapidly between frames )

But wait... If you use the mouse to activate something, it IS realtime... Then what's that bar i talked about earlier? Well, the right side of that bar sounds a LOT like a volume modifier...
As for the left side, maybe a speed modifier?


Finally, at the end of the demo, while you see , you can see something which looks like the sky moving. No idea what that means. Maybe simply to say the clouds regarding the NV30 are getting away and all will soon be revealed?


Anyway, i hope you enjoyed this LONG analysis of the situation. It was fun trying to figure things out, even if it's likely they are incorrect. But what did we discover?
1. nVidia employees are perverts
2. nVidia employees like T-Shirts with odd logos which seem to represent trees but nearly certainly do not.
3. From that really isane jester & creature description of the wall, nVidia thinks the NV30 will be a very bad surprise for ATI.
4. Since it seems the mouse does have an impact on the image,
it's likely the final image ( with the hair moving & stuff ) is realtime, but the bar on top seems to contradict that. And thus, nothing is certain.
5. The chip being shown during the GeForce4 and GPU comment doesn't seem to be a GF4. It could ( but that's unlikely ) be a NV30. It could also be something strange like a NV1. No one knows.
6. nVidia employees got nice cars ( 0:28 )

Of course, we can also speculate on all the type of effects which would mean it's some type of eclipse or something. But other people already speculated such things about the original flash intro, so i won't do it myself.


Uttar

thcdru2k
10-29-02, 04:19 PM
wow.

Uttar
10-29-02, 04:31 PM
Hehe. It sure was long :)

However, if anyone ever read it all and wonders "Is that man on drugs? Because seeing jesters on that wall is, well, not normal..." , the answer is that i'm not on drugs.
I'm just insane.

BTW, it was so long i didn't even give my appreciation of the video! As the cartoon shop owner says in the Simpsons: "Worst Video Ever" - but then again, i got a feeling this is voluntary.

As for my guesses of what's next...
I'd say they'll do 2 videos on the making of the NV30. They won't give any detail beside such things as "amazing effective power", "Fillrate to the Max"

IMO, one will be on how 3DFX influenced them on how fillrate is going to be very important ( justifying the 8 pixel pipeline architecture ) but that quality is more important than quantity and this is why bla bla bla

Second one will be on GigaPixel influences ( maybe... ) and how effective power is much more important than raw power ( which pretty much means that according to them, the Radeon 9700 is crap )

Last one will likely be released when the NV30 is officially announced. I'd guess it'll be developer testimonials about how the NV30 is fifty billion times better than the GF4 and how it rocks the Radeon 9700.


Uttar

Philibob
10-29-02, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Uttar
Between 0:30 and 0:34, i'd say the idea is very simple.
First, before graphic acceleration cards, everything was like that cartoon ( and, again, there are only *females* in that cartoon... Bad nVidia employees! No more porn at work from now on! ) . Then, the Geforce 1 came and there were LOADS and LOADS of polygons.
And then... came the NV30 revolution, which basically said "Polygons are nice, but what about high-quality shading? Isn't it better?"
The fact it's a "revolution" seems to be made evident by the light moving very rapidly on between the bottom-left & the top-right corners of the image. That would indicate that this is the effect of the NV30 on that wireframe we seen before.
This light is VERY fast, so it ain't easy to see it well.
Which is a very condensed resume of David Kirk's opinion on how more triangles can't increase quality that much anymore, we need more quality, not more quantity.

You didn't mention the figure that appears for a second when it says 'This Fall' :D ;)

pelly
10-29-02, 05:52 PM
Ok...here's my shot at this....

In the last frame or two....we see the fire-effect.....

If you go frame by frame....you'll see that as the fire effect moves up to the left, there is a light source moving down to the right...


Firey source on left = sun

White source on right = moon

Eclipse???

:D

Philibob
10-29-02, 05:55 PM
What do you use to play the clip frame be frame?
I'm using WMP and trying to press pause at the right time :o :D

Mod
10-29-02, 06:36 PM
Is Uttar our Sherlock ? :D

Mod
10-29-02, 06:52 PM
Download the high definition wmv from here :

http://www.nvidia.com/content/areyouready/videos/downloads/trailer_download.wmv

It's a good idea download from here, mainly if you don't have broadband connection.

I downloaded the media player page and checked its content at note pad. I think this proceder is right. If not, if you are a moderator, delete this message, please . :)

Dr_Colossus
10-30-02, 04:58 AM
The realtime rendering is obviously done by one of those demos you see with the release of every Nvidia card. The bar at the top switches between rendering modes to show off the power of the card. My first post using this account on these boards, I found your over analysis pretty funny :)

BTW I thought the whole thing was meant to be a parody (kinda like the trailer for "Comedian") because **** like this rarely live up to the hype. I think the NV30 will:D

Uttar
10-30-02, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by Dr_Colossus
The realtime rendering is obviously done by one of those demos you see with the release of every Nvidia card. The bar at the top switches between rendering modes to show off the power of the card. My first post using this account on these boards, I found your over analysis pretty funny :)

BTW I thought the whole thing was meant to be a parody (kinda like the trailer for "Comedian") because **** like this rarely live up to the hype. I think the NV30 will:D

Well, that sounds interesting... Just like Chameleon Mark? Well, if that's the case, that's very exciting!
They *do* have real NV30s working! And looking at how the mouse does move correctly and in a fluid way, i'd even say it's likely it's realtime!

Really didn't think about that bar in Chameleon Mark - it's so long i didn't use it. Really good theory, now that you mention it, i'm nearly certain NV30s actually work in their labs, and work well, too

Which seem to indicate a ready-just-after-Comdex release is still possible, but not certain. Exciting! :)


Uttar

MuFu
10-30-02, 07:59 AM
The demo was most definitely not run on NV30 hardware. They have only had silicon for a week and a half. They will be way too busy with debug/verification to "play" with the ASICs.

Spring will be crunchtime for NV30/NV31/NV34, whether they announce at Comdex or not...

MuFu.

Uttar
10-30-02, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by MuFu
The demo was most definitely not run on NV30 hardware. They have only had silicon for a week and a half. They will be way too busy with debug/verification to "play" with the ASICs.

Spring will be crunchtime for NV30/NV31/NV34, whether they announce at Comdex or not...

MuFu.

Well, then how do you explain what i said? I'm not saying i'm right, i'm just saying that's the best explanation i found.

And really, they don't have to play with it. That model hair moving isn't particularly impressive. For all we know, that could be testing to see if the drivers are working. And they taped it just so that marketing's happy.


Uttar

Note: Nothing before this has been edited
Edit:
Now that i rethink about it, Anand's comments seem to indicate you're wrong. The NV30 will *never* have a 'crunchtime'.
It'll be a short-lived part released near Christmas to satisfy investors. In spring, a revised version ( NV31? ) will be available.

Quote from Anand:
If NV30 is pushed back too far, the first half of NVIDIA's strategy for 2003 would have to be seriously altered, which is why NVIDIA is adamant about a 2002 launch for NV30. Because of very low initial yields, NV30 will most likely be a very short lived part before it is replaced with a much more mature 0.13-micron part in the Spring of next year.



Uttar

Uttar
10-30-02, 11:52 AM
Yay! I figured out something new!

Have you noticed how this video looks a LOT like a movie trailer?
Look below the video. You'll see the name of the video.
"The Movie Trailer"

This explains why it sounds so much like a movie story. And that also explains why it's so egoistic and pervert - just like a lot of those lame "best-movie-ever" trailers.

Anyway, that also means that they DO want the make people think the NV30 is the big leap foward that will put computer real-time graphism quality VERY near of what the film industry is able to render in non-real time.

So, anyone want to guess when Pixar & others will begin licensing the NV30? :)


Uttar

LORD-eX-Bu
10-31-02, 03:29 AM
You know that video is really nice. I mean, really, its just about video card, but it does build up a sort of suspense with the music and the voice and then the climax is the hair on the 3d model. I'm into 3d animatino(hobby) and only way that I get to see stuff like that in real time is after I render it, lol, but the way that moved(looked really nice and smooth, no stutter) made me smile. The video is great, and almost makes me want to return to nVIDIA, but that will have to wait until I see real performance from a finished NV30. If it does do it for me, then I'm back, if it doesn't, ATI is a keeper.:D

MuFu
10-31-02, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
Yay! I figured out something new!

Have you noticed how this video looks a LOT like a movie trailer?

LOL, yeah the post-VT greenscreen is a "tiny" hint at that, man. Nice detective work. ;)

Ah well... nice that you have taken the effort to look for clues, you could be onto a couple of things, who knows. I was personally hoping that that they'd name the *.swf files on the site something really obvious like "geforcefxday1.swf". That'd be a bit obvious though. :D

MuFu.

P.S. "Springtime is NV30/NV31/NV34 time..." according to a contact of mine, who unfortunately cannot say much at all to elaborate. I am much more inclined to believe him than I am Anand, though...

zoolap
10-31-02, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Uttar
..........
Anyway, that also means that they DO want the make people think the NV30 is the big leap foward that will put computer real-time graphism quality VERY near of what the film industry is able to render in non-real time.

So, anyone want to guess when Pixar & others will begin licensing the NV30? :)...

I'll believe it when I see it. :rolleyes:

Uttar
11-01-02, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by MuFu
LOL, yeah the post-VT greenscreen is a "tiny" hint at that, man. Nice detective work. ;)

Ah well... nice that you have taken the effort to look for clues, you could be onto a couple of things, who knows. I was personally hoping that that they'd name the *.swf files on the site something really obvious like "geforcefxday1.swf". That'd be a bit obvious though. :D

MuFu.

P.S. "Springtime is NV30/NV31/NV34 time..." according to a contact of mine, who unfortunately cannot say much at all to elaborate. I am much more inclined to believe him than I am Anand, though...

*grins* Yeah, i know. I pretty much guessed that, but i didn't realize the "The Movie Trailer" - thinked they wanted to make it look like one, but i wouldn't have imagined they wanted it to be one.
My biggest point with that is that the fact it was a movie trailer justifies there are so many pervert tracks in it.


BTW, i rethinked about the whole video. And then i realized that the text we hear sound a LOT like if it was taken right from 3DFX Rampage marketing campaign.

3DFX was a lot more of a renegade company than nVidia; they insisted on Glide and stuff.
Also, the whole GeForce4 and GPU doesn't make any type of sense. It sounds a lot better with "From the creators of the Voodoo and the 3D acceleration card"

So? What do you think? Was nVidia marketing too lazy and stole old 3DFX documents to do their job? :)


Uttar

jbirney
11-01-02, 01:52 PM
3DFX was a lot more of a renegade company than nVidia; they insisted on Glide and stuff.

Keep in mind back when 3DFX started this whole 3D thing OpenGL support for consumer cards was non-exsistant and DX was even further away from becoming a reality. So they needed to make something in order to support 3dgaming. Glide in that time seem to make sense. It wasnt until OpenGL and DX becaome much better APIs as well as other players got into the game that the need for Glide died. Besides most of us remember the first time we saw the nali castle fly by in the orignal Unreal game on a voodoo card. One of my favorite Oh my god moments.

Kruno
11-07-02, 07:16 AM
Uttar, you work for Nvidia? :o

creedamd
11-07-02, 08:49 AM
Intro to POR* PRON???:D

creedamd
11-07-02, 11:31 AM
that's no fair, I want my own message in an nvidia movie :(

Harnagel
11-07-02, 11:35 AM
I am sure Nvidia is aware of what goes on around here, it's probably just a message to let him know that all his crazy efforts to get info are smiled upon. ;)

volt
11-07-02, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Harnagel
I am sure Nvidia is aware of what goes on around here, it's probably just a message to let him know that all his crazy efforts to get info are smiled upon. ;)

Or that he's correct to some extent :)
EDIT: what an honor by the way hehe :)

Quinn1981
11-07-02, 12:19 PM
It's pretty clear to me that the 6th item on the list says, "Message for Uttar". I think he's close, but they are just teasing him.

http://www.nvnews.net/images/news/200211/uttar.jpg

I sent this to Mr. Mike, but he's probably at work and won't get back till later.

Philibob
11-07-02, 01:02 PM
What software do you use to get it on that frame because it took me quite a few times to press stop at the right time using WMP? :o