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High Q/0X8X
8X6=58.6fps
10X7=42.4fps 10X7 2X 8X=35fps
11X8=36.3fps
12X10=29.5fps
Med Q/0X0X
10X7=50.4fps 10X7 2X0X=41fps
11X8=42.3fps
Of note: check out those 10X7 and 12X10 High Q scores! Why should we care?
5800U vindication
5950 10X7=43.7fps 9800XT 10X7=46.6fps
5950 12X10=30.9 9800XT 12X10= 31.9fps
128bit or no, 5800U had teh cajones......
Troo dat!! IMO it's proving it's worth in some ways in this game, definitely performing spectacularly for it's age. (I really like the card, but) I don't think the same can be said for 9700 Pro's... And, I said it in another thread, but look for the 5800U to appear in my upcoming gainward 6800NU review, which will probably hit the front page in the 2nd week in Sept. ;)
zakelwe
08-13-04, 10:23 AM
Well Doom3 arrived today and I have still not installed it, I'm thinking I need it to be dark in the room to get the full flavour.
I'm still pondering over my 5800 that does 450/1000 or the 9800 Pro which does 430/680 for games .. hmmm, I think I'll start off with the 9800 Pro, play the game then swap over.
Regards
Andy
High Q/0X8X
8X6=58.6fps
10X7=42.4fps 10X7 2X 8X=35fps
11X8=36.3fps
12X10=29.5fps
Med Q/0X0X
10X7=50.4fps 10X7 2X0X=41fps
11X8=42.3fps
Of note: check out those 10X7 and 12X10 High Q scores! Why should we care?
5800U vindication
5950 10X7=43.7fps 9800XT 10X7=46.6fps
5950 12X10=30.9 9800XT 12X10= 31.9fps
128bit or no, 5800U had teh cajones......
Man, what are the rest of your system specs, and have you done any tweaking to the config? My 10x7 medium quality timedemo nets me about 37 fps (the 8x6 high quality timedemo gives me a higher score, but it hitches a bit every now and again). Granted, I'm a little old on the rest of the stuff, but that seems like a rather large difference!
Flipper
08-13-04, 06:47 PM
Indeed it does :)
Also it will be nice to see it's appearence in ragejg's review
Those scores give me high hopes for the 6600GT as it looks like a 5800u+DX9+8 pipes
Those scores give me high hopes for the 6600GT as it looks like a 5800u+DX9+8 pipes
The 6600GT will roxor Doom3, guaranteed.
Woot! Another 5800U devotee!
Man, what are the rest of your system specs, and have you done any tweaking to the config? My 10x7 medium quality timedemo nets me about 37 fps (the 8x6 high quality timedemo gives me a higher score, but it hitches a bit every now and again). Granted, I'm a little old on the rest of the stuff, but that seems like a rather large difference!
I have a A643000+/MSI K8T Neo/1GB Corsair PC3200, that is the difference. You're cpu limited for Doom3, no offense intended.
Woot! Another 5800U devotee!
I have a A643000+/MSI K8T Neo/1GB Corsair PC3200, that is the difference. You're cpu limited for Doom3, no offense intended.
None taken! I figured it would be something like that. Another 512MB of memory would probably help a touch. But I also figure I can hold out with what I've got until PCI Express really starts to hit the mainstream. And I'm still impressed with the performance of the 5800U. Doom3 is very playable, and for that my wife is quite grateful (since I didn't have to upgrade)!
None taken! I figured it would be something like that. Another 512MB of memory would probably help a touch. But I also figure I can hold out with what I've got until PCI Express really starts to hit the mainstream. And I'm still impressed with the performance of the 5800U. Doom3 is very playable, and for that my wife is quite grateful (since I didn't have to upgrade)!
Going from 512>1GB of RAM didn't help in Anand's review, I'm still thinking it's just a cpu thing for you.
I have a barton 2800+ and gf 5700 u. Going from 512Mb of ram to 1gig did not help my framerate at all BUT it did get rid of all hitching!
Pandora's Box
08-14-04, 12:29 PM
master zeta thats exactly what its supposed to do. take the thrashing u get on the hard drive with 512MB and eliminate it with 1GB
New drivers are still making the FX series perform better. :clap: I think, somehow by making the 6800 perform better in the driver, we get performance benefits too. It could be that nVidia is still working on improving the FX series? We do get a lot of the same IQ options as the 6800 (i.e. High Quality, Tri Opts, Aniso Opts, etc) which older cards simply don't have in the control panel.
New drivers are still making the FX series perform better. :clap: I think, somehow by making the 6800 perform better in the driver, we get performance benefits too. It could be that nVidia is still working on improving the FX series? We do get a lot of the same IQ options as the 6800 (i.e. High Quality, Tri Opts, Aniso Opts, etc) which older cards simply don't have in the control panel.
What would happen in a perfect world is id would release the nV30 path as a patch, and nV3x owners could get a HUGE increase, albeit at partial precision.
Why do I say this? Consider:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1821&p=22 (Doom 3 on nV30 path)
Hmmm. Last year, 95fps for a 5800Ultra at 10X7 med quality, on a P4 3GHz.
This year, I get 50.4 fps on at those settings on a A64 3000+?! Even if it's a different demo, that's half the performance. Where did it go?
it's a different demo Rollo, different demos give different benches. also, all the partial precision was put into the arb2 path so the nv30 path would just be redundant.
it's a different demo Rollo, different demos give different benches. also, all the partial precision was put into the arb2 path so the nv30 path would just be redundant.
I agree on the different demo part.
I don't remember reading about the partial precision being put into the path nV3Xs now run though, just the nV10 and 20? Do you have links?
I remember Carmack saying he dropped the nV30 path and went to ARB2:
http://www.shacknews.com/docs/press/012903_carmackplan.x
but not that he incorporated the nV30 features into ARB2? I'm not a programmer, but I would think this would change the definition of ARB2 and make it vendor specific again?
What happened with the 9800Pro now being as fast as the 5900U would seem to support that the 5900U is running ARB2, which it can't run as fast as nV30 path?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, don't want to be unenlightened.
Carmack's .plan which you link to is not talking about dropping the nv30 path he did that much later. in your link he is talking about dropping vender specific vertex programs since they weren't needed with the new arb extension.
as for the 9800pro being as fast as the 5900u, that is because the 5900u does get the benefit of using reduced precision in the arb2 path like it once needed the nv30 path to do. look back at that link you posted to see how things once were with the arb2 path:
The NV30 runs the ARB2 path MUCH slower than the NV30 path.
Half the speed at the moment. This is unfortunate, because when you do an
exact, apples-to-apples comparison using exactly the same API, the R300 looks
twice as fast, but when you use the vendor-specific paths, the NV30 wins.
but adding partial precision to the arb2 path doesn't make it vender specific, it just lets cards which can benefit from reduced precision do so. doom3 doesn't use any advanced shaders which really require full precsision, so there is hardly reason not to let cards which can benefit from it do so.
alucard_x
08-18-04, 10:36 PM
another 5800u user chiming in.. i've been fairly satisfied with this card, and when i made the move to a 2500-m to get near 2.4ghz it helped out alot.. at any rate i get good performance in doom3 at about 58fps on 800x high quality with the 65.xx drivers. with the 56.72's i was getting 42fps.
2500-m @ 12x195mhz
chaintech 7njs
crucial pc2100 @ 132mhz
i'm sure getting new memory and running in sync would help even more but money doesn't grow on trees yet.
And the way things are going, you'll need to spend your computer upgrade money on those $50 dollar gas fill ups :rolleyes:
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