Question about "The NVIDIA Project" video

[pelly]

I just watched the "Blair Witch" spoof and had a question.....

About 3/4 the way through, there is a point where a blue and yellow object begins to come into the shot....

Any ideas what this is?

:confused:

[zoost]

Incredible, what kind of cinamatics this card can render. Good models en mapping skills too! I find it hard to believe that all this was rendered real-time :mad:

[pelly]

:confused:

[TheFrnchTickler]

I believe that's what campers call a 'tent'

(not to be confused with what Beavis and Butthead call a 'tent')

[Uttar]

Yeah, i'd say it's a tent too. The same one as she came from ( remember, she had set a reference point for her expedition )

In an unrelated note, is that woman scared because she bought a Radeon 9700 and just realized she wasted 400 bucks?

Uttar

[tazdevl]

Bah... and you have inside knowledge that the NV30 is going to be amazing? Given the fact that it's new tech, what makes you think that nVIDIA will pull it off right the first time?

9700 is a good product and I highly doubt that the NV30 will offer tremendous benefits over it. Too many other bottlenecks in your system for there to be a paradigm shift in graphics performance. I'm also sure it will be cheap when it first comes out as well.

Tent.

[Lezmaka]

lol, gotta love the morons

someone makes a humorous comment and this moron takes it all literally and serious

And in response to the moron, how do you know it won't offer tremendous benefits over the 9700? lol, you complain that they don't have inside knowledge when someone makes a comment that it will be faster, but then you basically do the same thing by saying it won't offer any tremendous benefits when you don't have any inside knowledge either.

Thanks for the chuckle

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by Lezmaka
lol, gotta love the morons

someone makes a humorous comment and this moron takes it all literally and serious

And in response to the moron, how do you know it won't offer tremendous benefits over the 9700? lol, you complain that they don't have inside knowledge when someone makes a comment that it will be faster, but then you basically do the same thing by saying it won't offer any tremendous benefits when you don't have any inside knowledge either.

Thanks for the chuckle

Calm down, its just a video card.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Calm down, its just a video card.

No, no it's not just a video card!!

It's gonna be awesome! It's gonna feed the hungry, bring world peace, and allow us to contact aliens living on far off worlds!

[borntosoul]

.......................... after years of religious worship this card rose up into the heavens and caused a great eclipse . Their world fell into darkness ,dispare and hibernation ,people lost all sence of time and reality. They prayed to this card to bring them back the sun ,years and years had past, people went hungry and desparate some turned to canniblism ! None of them realised that the card they worshiped did not give them back the sun but only took it away ! By this time it was too late ,the life they had once known is now all but forgotten.

[sbp]

http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/bowdown.gif NV30 http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/bowdown2.gif

[Uttar]

LOL, sbp

BTW, all i said is that's the message nVidia wants to give to the world ( IMO ) , that doesn't mean i agree with it.

I'm betting on +25% compared to the R300 with AF & AA. And a lot of great new features, which give a longer life to the core.


Uttar

[jbirney]

And a lot of great new features, which give a longer life to the core.

Well so far this has never really helped a single GPU have a longer life so once again I doubt it will help the nV30 stick around.

JohnC said Doom3 was made possible by what the oringal GF card did. I doubt that anyone will be able to get any sort of playable frame rates on Doom3 with their original GF card.

GF2 cards are almost the same thing as a GF and they wont offer playable framerates (well Ultra may be close).

I care less about features until they are used in game. Since thats taking about 18+ months or longer buy the time the feature is impelmented the card just dose not have enough fill rate/mb to keep up with the games at that time.

I know you all thik the NV30 will change this. It wont. History has proved this point over and over...

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by jbirney
I care less about features until they are used in game. Since thats taking about 18+ months or longer buy the time the feature is impelmented the card just dose not have enough fill rate/mb to keep up with the games at that time.

I know you all thik the NV30 will change this. It wont. History has proved this point over and over...

i agree entirely. although i disagree that you think we all think this. only certain people(read: fanboys) do, i'm sure.

some people are arguing that NV30 may be a lot more powerful than R9700. maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but i don't think they were saying those features would be used ;)

[FastM]

I think the NV30 is going to be 50% faster as the 9700Pro. But what software will prove it apart from nVidia demo's? probably nothing. Almost ALL the games out their are CPU/Memory limited anyway.

Either way its still going to kick ass. nVidia didn't push this card back this far for nothing. I know there are many who find it hard to believe but i still think nVidia is going to knock everyones socks off.

[tazdevl]

Originally posted by Lezmaka
lol, gotta love the morons

someone makes a humorous comment and this moron takes it all literally and serious

And in response to the moron, how do you know it won't offer tremendous benefits over the 9700? lol, you complain that they don't have inside knowledge when someone makes a comment that it will be faster, but then you basically do the same thing by saying it won't offer any tremendous benefits when you don't have any inside knowledge either.

Thanks for the chuckle

I see and by calling me names, that somehow raises you above me.

Simply put so you'll understand, there are too many other bottlenecks in today's systems to provide mind blowing performance. That's a known fact.

Given the number of positive reviews of the 9700 and the number of folks that have bought the card, I'm guessing they didn't think it was a waste of $400. Take off your blinders, we marketers like folks like you, easy prey.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by jbirney
I know you all thik the NV30 will change this. It wont. History has proved this point over and over...

I never said it will :)

My point was that it will give a longer live to the *CORE* ( you can check my post, i did say core ) , not graphic card.

And what i meant by that is that nVidia will have a serious architecture ( NV30 ) to derive other cards around it ( NV31, NV34, NV35, ... ) - they won't have to do like ATI.

From what we know, ATI will create an entire new architecture ( R400 ) to compete with the NV35 instead of doing minor changes to the R300 architecture.
nVidia won't have to do that. And thus, they'll save money.


Uttar

[jbirney]

From what we know, ATI will create an entire new architecture ( R400 ) to compete with the NV35 instead of doing minor changes to the R300 architecture.
nVidia won't have to do that. And thus, they'll save money.


Actually I think ATI is in a much better postion. Anad said today it will be after Xmas before people can get an nV30 as nV is not slated to start shipmings to its customers till some time in 1Q. Since nV customers have to build the cards it will then add some extra time to get them out to the masses. End result ATI rides on the sales of the r300 for almost 4/5 months with out a challenger. To answer the NV30, they slap on DDR2 and bump the core up to 400 which again Anadtech showed us is possible. And maybe add an extra TMU and they could ship that out as well. I would not call that an entire new architecture.

ATI wont have to change the core of the R300. Once again if you read Anadtech first review there was a quote form an ATI rep saying they have plenetly of room to optimize to meet the compettion.

Finally in those NV 30 slides they stated the NV30 being x2 faster than an GF4 which is about how fast the R300 is depending on the settings. Thus I dont think the NV30 will be that much faster than the R300. I would agree that nV has more room to improve on the nV30 preformance. But ATI is in a sweet postion now. Should be interesting to see what happens next.

[ReDeeMeR]

Do you have anything to backup your statment that GF1 wont be able to play DOOMIII? Are you saying this based on leaked alpha? Get a clue man

Also the bottlenecks that were mentioned above, can easily be avoided, as they are in DOOMIII, the models arent that high poly as they seem, but they use some really smart texturing so they look awesome, same can apply to anything if the game developers want to.

Also, r300 being 2x faster then Nv25? Rofl, have you seen comanche or other dx8 game benches? Get a clue



Originally posted by jbirney
Well so far this has never really helped a single GPU have a longer life so once again I doubt it will help the nV30 stick around.

JohnC said Doom3 was made possible by what the oringal GF card did. I doubt that anyone will be able to get any sort of playable frame rates on Doom3 with their original GF card.

GF2 cards are almost the same thing as a GF and they wont offer playable framerates (well Ultra may be close).

I care less about features until they are used in game. Since thats taking about 18+ months or longer buy the time the feature is impelmented the card just dose not have enough fill rate/mb to keep up with the games at that time.

I know you all thik the NV30 will change this. It wont. History has proved this point over and over...

[Pafet]

And a lot of great new features, which give a longer life to the core.

Originally posted by jbirney
Well so far this has never really helped a single GPU have a longer life so once again I doubt it will help the nV30 stick around.

I know you all thik the NV30 will change this. It wont. History has proved this point over and over...

I think there was one....
voodoo2 + multiple texturing (C) = 4 years used in my rigs

[Uttar]

Originally posted by jbirney
ATI wont have to change the core of the R300. Once again if you read Anadtech first review there was a quote form an ATI rep saying they have plenetly of room to optimize to meet the compettion.

Yes, when the NV30 arises from its slumber, ATI will likely simply launch an optimized R300.

But when the NV35 comes in about 1 year, however, ATI will have to create a new core, the R300 one just won't cut it anymore.


Uttar

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
Do you have anything to backup your statment that GF1 wont be able to play DOOMIII? Are you saying this based on leaked alpha? Get a clue man

of course he's not basing it on the alpha. he's basing it on past engine trends. how well does the gf perform in UT2003? certainly you don't think that Doom 3 will perform better?

[jbirney]

Do you have anything to backup your statment that GF1 wont be able to play DOOMIII? Are you saying this based on leaked alpha? Get a clue man

I remember Jc saying back in an old plan update were he talked about the current video cards and how they will run doom3. He manily compared the 8500 and the GF3/4. One thing he said was stay away from the MX cards. And since the Mx cards were a faster than the oringal GF cards, then its pretty easy to see that the GF1 does not have the fillrate/MB to run Doom3 at any reasonable framerate. Unless you want 320x200 res at 10 fps :)

I also am not even thinking about the leak as that is not final software so baising anything off that is not accurate.


Also, r300 being 2x faster then Nv25? Rofl, have you seen comanche or other dx8 game benches? Get a clue

Yea turn on Ansio/AF and in some benchs its almost 3x faster. Have you bothered to even read any reviews on the 9700? BTW you realize that Comanche is a CPU limited game which means you can throw a bank of 9700 behind it and not gain a single FPS.

[ragejg]

I know this chart I'm posting shows no GF1, but all signs point to the GF2mx as the lowest of the low end gamer cards out there to base any comparisons on. Those with GF1 SDR's & DDR's probably have already given those cards to their mothers... Some still hold on to their 2MX's, waiting for NV30...

If an MX200 32mbSDR @ 8x6 can pull 75fps in asbestos med. detail @ 800mhz (which means a gf1 would get around 60-70), then could we maybe say a gf1 in doom 3 could do 45 fps lo detail @ 640x480?

Personally I think the 2MX cards are still VERY functional @ tv resolutions (6x4, 720x480, 8x6)...

...Please don't anyone yell at me for calling a GF2MX200 a gamer card... I'll admit I have some left field opinions, and I never recommend gf2 cards (some 64mb Ultra/Pro/ti's are nice deals tho)... in July I swindled a gf4mx440 from a friend and gave him a GF2ti (someone else actually needed the twinview feature), and he's 100% as happy... He kinda misses a little AA tho, but likes the ti's "torque".

:rolleyes:

-r-a-g-e-j-g-

[StealthHawk]

the gfddr was faster than a gf2mx in UT2003 last time i checked benchies.