View Full Version : I hate Safari
superklye
08-27-04, 04:31 PM
I'm at work, stuck using a stupid eMac and Safari is just the absolute worst browser ever. It's so clunky and I feel like some sort of retard whilst using it.
Screw you, Apple.
Just go get Firefox for the Mac, baby!
Though I gotta say, once I turned on popup blocking and tabbed browsing (why weren't they enabled by default, one wonders?) Safari moved up to a close second in the browsing realm. It beats IE hands down (but hey, so does Lynx, IMHO).
OldOfEvil
08-27-04, 04:49 PM
Maybe your using an older version. It really has gotten pretty good and its got most of the features you need - tabbed browsing being my favorite..
http://www.icab.de/
iCab is a pretty cool browser you might try if you can do that on a work comp.
superklye
08-27-04, 08:02 PM
Tabbed browsing does nothing for me. I think it's a completely cosmetic feature and I have never once used it. I downloaded and installed FireFox for XP to see what all the fuss is about and you know what? I wasn't impressed. Not in the least.
It has tabbed windows and a built in pop-up blocker. I don't use Tabbed Windows ever, I find them to be cumbersome and IE also has a built in pop-up blocker. It also has the widest support for web pages. I'll stick with IE.
'Sides that, having three IE windows open was about 50MB of memory. Having one FF window open with three tabs was about 67MB of memory. It's bloated as all hell.
Yah, but ditching IE makes you automatically immune to 95% of all the trojans and spyware out there... :p
Camino is a pretty good browser for Mac as well ... based on the Gecko rendering engine, but Mac native. I still like Firefox better, though. I like to browse happy (http://www.browsehappy.com).
nVidi0t
08-28-04, 02:23 AM
But macs are purrrrty!
superklye
08-28-04, 02:48 AM
but I can't install anything on the Macs. I work in the office that is in charge of them and we image them and then set them up so that they can't have anything installed. First off: no priviledges to install and even if we could, this program, Deep Freeze, reverts back to the original image status so anything done to it is destroyed when the computer is restarted.
netviper13
08-28-04, 03:48 AM
Bahahaha, Deep Freeze sucks. My former high school gave all the kids Mac laptops this year, and they attempted to use Deep Freeze, but it would actually lock people out of legit programs like Word and Excel. After repeated calls to tech support, the answer they received: "oh yeah, we know that's a bug and that it doesn't work, we just haven't gotten around to fixing it yet".
Riptide
08-28-04, 11:48 AM
Yah, but ditching IE makes you automatically immune to 95% of all the trojans and spyware out there... :p
Aye. Try surfing for an hour or so w/IE then run ad-aware. Do the same after running opera or one of the other non IE browsers. Major difference in the results. ;)
Tabbed browsing does nothing for me. I think it's a completely cosmetic feature and I have never once used it.You've never once used it, yet you think its a completely cosmetic feature? Personally, I don't load up links in tabs because I think it looks pretty. I use them because they're functional. You don't have to have lots of windows open; just one, with tabs. Similar idea, but tabs are a superior version.
superklye
08-28-04, 08:23 PM
You've never once used it, yet you think its a completely cosmetic feature? Personally, I don't load up links in tabs because I think it looks pretty. I use them because they're functional. You don't have to have lots of windows open; just one, with tabs. Similar idea, but tabs are a superior version.
so it's cosmetic becuase it's making the screen less cluttered.
and sorry, i DID use them when I had FF, I mean, that's the biggest draw for the browser, and I wasn't impressed. I used them once, found it to be much more frustrating than separate windows and stopped using them.
Tabbed browsing does nothing for me. I think it's a completely cosmetic feature and I have never once used it. I downloaded and installed FireFox for XP to see what all the fuss is about and you know what? I wasn't impressed. Not in the least.
It has tabbed windows and a built in pop-up blocker. I don't use Tabbed Windows ever, I find them to be cumbersome and IE also has a built in pop-up blocker. It also has the widest support for web pages. I'll stick with IE.
'Sides that, having three IE windows open was about 50MB of memory. Having one FF window open with three tabs was about 67MB of memory. It's bloated as all hell.
Tabbed browsing is more of a method you have to learn. Between this should solve your memory qualms:
http://texturizer.net/firefox/tips.html#oth_memcache
and sorry, i DID use them when I had FF, I mean, that's the biggest draw for the browser, and I wasn't impressed.Biggest draw for the browser? Not for me. I just don't like other browsers that I can logically use (ie. I can't use konqueror because I don't feel like the KDE deps). Mozilla doesn't work the way I like it, IE is.. well... it's hard to describe, but I don't like it. I just like firefox.I used them once, found it to be much more frustrating than separate windows and stopped using them.So in what way were they much more frustrating than separate windows? Because they were easy to close/open (middle click to open the link in a new tab, middle click on the tab to close it), or because they take up less room in your desktop than multiple windows? Asplain pleez...
superklye
08-29-04, 03:23 AM
Biggest draw for the browser? Not for me. I just don't like other browsers that I can logically use (ie. I can't use konqueror because I don't feel like the KDE deps). Mozilla doesn't work the way I like it, IE is.. well... it's hard to describe, but I don't like it. I just like firefox.
well that's fine/cool man. i just like IE.
So in what way were they much more frustrating than separate windows? Because they were easy to close/open (middle click to open the link in a new tab, middle click on the tab to close it), or because they take up less room in your desktop than multiple windows? Asplain pleez...
They are more frustrating becuase I'm not used to having one window open and I closed all the tabs more often than not becuase I hit the big X instead of the small one for just that tab. Tabs aren't that great. I really don't care if I have more than one window open. I'm used to it and I find it somewhat comforting.
gigapower
08-29-04, 11:26 PM
IE on the Mac is horrible. How could you not like Safari, its such a great little thin browser loaded with features.
superklye
08-30-04, 12:59 AM
Macs are horrible.
netviper13
08-30-04, 01:21 AM
They are good looking though, I will definitely give them that. Lian-Li did a great job imitating the G5 case, now we need a laptop maker to make a laptop case look good. Not bling-ish, but sleek and modern.
gigapower
08-30-04, 09:47 AM
Macs are horrible.
would you mind expanding on why you think they are so horrible?
superklye
08-30-04, 10:39 AM
would you mind expanding on why you think they are so horrible?
One mouse button.
It takes 2 hours and 40 minutes to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3.
Anything you can do on a Mac, I can do on a PC and then some--and I don't care if you can do it a few seconds faster on a Mac. Whoopty crap.
They're computers for people that shouldn't have computers.
One mouse button.
They don't catch Windows viruses and were the cause for our entire network to go down repeatedly this summer.
One mouse button.
There are a lot more things I hate about them, but I just woke up for my first class and can barely think. The only thing I like about them is how they look. They look amazing, both the case and OS design. But otherwise, I feel they are just a waste.
sweetmate
08-30-04, 11:02 AM
One mouse button.
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One mouse button.
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One mouse button.
You see all those nice 2,3,4 and 5 button mice from Microsoft and Logitech, you know they all work on a Mac right? Just because Apple dont make one, doesnt mean you cant have one.
They don't catch Windows viruses and were the cause for our entire network to go down repeatedly this summer.
Hahah, you are blaming a Mac for not being susceptable to windows viruses. Priceless.
superklye
08-30-04, 01:33 PM
You see all those nice 2,3,4 and 5 button mice from Microsoft and Logitech, you know they all work on a Mac right? Just because Apple dont make one, doesnt mean you cant have one.
I shouldn't have to spend extra money to get a mouse with more than one button. Multi-button mice have been around for oh...at least 10 years I'd say, it's about time Apple picks up on this.
Hahah, you are blaming a Mac for not being susceptable to windows viruses. Priceless.
An anti-virus that doesn't stop viruses. Man. I know I can't stop laughing. :rolleyes:
Nitz Walsh
08-30-04, 03:38 PM
Of course, you have yet to voice any actual criticisms of Safari, other than it runs on a Mac. Those would actually help. Javascript performance is one such quibble - it's never been blazing on a Mac with any browser, but Safari can still fall on its ass on my meagre iBook with sites that contain a ton of emoticons. Other than that though, I find it excellent - tab browsing is made a lot less relevant with Expose in 10.3 of course, but I still rely on it with Opera on my PC at home. The taskbar just clutters up too quickly.
Although it's not strictly related to Safari, it's part of OSX's System Services, the built-in spell checking on-the-fly is killer. There's also a great add-in which pops up dictionary definitions for any word you want.
As for OSX taking a long time to upgrade - well obviously, that depends on your hardware. XP takes quite a bit to install on Celeron system with a 5400RPM drive, what are the specs of the Mac you're working on? When was the drive last defragmented?
As for virus software - hardly necessary on the Mac, but due to insurance policies and security standards, we have Norton on all our OSX installs here. It succesfully caught 10 Windows viruses that were emailed to one of our OSX users just last week. How did the Macs not "catching" the Windows viruses have anything at all to do with your network going down? That simply makes no sense. What, do you use an Emac as your friggin' attachment scanner for your email system before it hits the internal network!?
superklye
08-30-04, 05:46 PM
I don't like Safari becuase it remembers my email address in Hotmail even though I check the box not to.
I don't like Safari because the Home and End keys don't work. They do Page Up/Down...maybe that's just a Mac issue though.
I don't like Safari because it's Apple and I just don't like using Apples. I'm not used to them or how they work and maybe with an experienced user they're fantastic, but for me, they aren't. I feel like I'm doing calculus all over again when using a Mac. I have a basic knowledge, but not much past that.
gigapower
08-31-04, 03:13 AM
I don't like Safari because it's Apple and I just don't like using Apples. I'm not used to them or how they work and maybe with an experienced user they're fantastic, but for me, they aren't.
Thats all I needed to hear.
Nitz Walsh
08-31-04, 05:15 PM
I don't like Safari because it's Apple and I just don't like using Apples. I'm not used to them or how they work and maybe with an experienced user they're fantastic, but for me, they aren't. I feel like I'm doing calculus all over again when using a Mac. I have a basic knowledge, but not much past that.
In other words; Argument from Ignorance.
Gee, this thread has been enlightening. :lame:
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