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bchreng
08-28-04, 11:46 PM
I'm not hardcore enough to spend $400 on a video card (yet!) and would like to ask you guys if it's worth upgrading to a 6800NU from a 9800XT.

I don't intend to upgrade any other component in my system (see sig) anytime soon. Would my system severely bottleneck the 6800NU, negating any really significant performance gains to be had?

Thanks in advance!

Kev1
08-29-04, 12:28 AM
I'm thinking if you play at a resolution of 1024 x 768 or lower, probably not. If you want to play at a higher res with aa and af, then most likely it is :)

You could probably sell your 9800XT to cover most of the purchase price of the 6800. Interestingly your card has 256 megs of memory, whereas the 6800 nu only has 128. I think the 6800 core would make up for that somewhat.

If you do or don't, in either event you will still have a great video card. Its a tough call. Good luck whatever you decide :)

anzak
08-29-04, 12:29 AM
No, because you would be going from 256mb of memory to 128mb. Memory is not everything though the 6800nu easily bests the 9800XT but it's not worth $300. Wait for the fall refresh and buy a GT which should be around $250 or $300 at that time.

mattkenn_4545
08-29-04, 12:35 AM
i'd get the 6800 from evga see what you think and if you like it a lot use their stepup program to get an 6800gt later.

ChrisRay
08-29-04, 12:55 AM
I'd have to agree, if you own a 256 meg part, dont go to a 128 meg part, the 6800NU is over all faster, But its not worth downgrading a system component just for a small speed boost,

mcraygsx
08-29-04, 01:00 AM
Geforce 6800 NU is definately Faster and has more Features like DIrectX 9.0b over compared to 9800 XT.

mattkenn_4545
08-29-04, 01:53 AM
Directx 9B? you mean dx9c right?

lordtyranus2
08-29-04, 02:00 AM
no, upgrade isn't worth it. Get a 6800 GT if you want to upgrade. The 6800 nu is a poor value even now, and moreso when the 6600gt is released.

bchreng
08-29-04, 02:10 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. I was thinking the same thing. I don't intend to run my games any higher than 1024x768. And for the time being, I don't really care for AA, but I do enable AF for my games. I understand that while the 6800 does perform a bit better than my current card, it only has 128MB RAM on it. Would that have any effect on the likes of Far Cry, Doom 3 and HL2? I've seen many reports that Doom 3 runs just fine at High detail on 128MB cards.

I guess the major driving force behind this upgrade is that Best Buy is selling the BFG 6800 OC (which includes Far Cry) bundled with Doom 3 for only $300. Having PS 3.0 support, a lifetime warranty and a 24/7 tech support make the package look even more attractive.

Seeing as how I have Doom 3 and Far Cry already, the idea would be to sell off the copies that I get with the card and my 9800 and hopefully break near even.

If the cut in memory really does hamper performance though, then I guess I can wait until the GTs fall in price.

ChrisRay
08-29-04, 02:26 AM
no, upgrade isn't worth it. Get a 6800 GT if you want to upgrade. The 6800 nu is a poor value even now, and moreso when the 6600gt is released.



I think you are over estimating the 6600GT, While its a nice card, Still only has 3 vertex pipelines, and almost 8 gigs less bandwith than a 6800NU.

Drumphil
08-29-04, 02:30 AM
I'd get a 6800GT or higher, or forget about it. If you allready have a 9800pro, upgrading to a 6800NU is a lot of money for not that large a boost.

ChrisRay
08-29-04, 02:31 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. I was thinking the same thing. I don't intend to run my games any higher than 1024x768. And for the time being, I don't really care for AA, but I do enable AF for my games. I understand that while the 6800 does perform a bit better than my current card, it only has 128MB RAM on it. Would that have any effect on the likes of Far Cry, Doom 3 and HL2? I've seen many reports that Doom 3 runs just fine at High detail on 128MB cards.

I guess the major driving force behind this upgrade is that Best Buy is selling the BFG 6800 OC (which includes Far Cry) bundled with Doom 3 for only $300. Having PS 3.0 support, a lifetime warranty and a 24/7 tech support make the package look even more attractive.

Seeing as how I have Doom 3 and Far Cry already, the idea would be to sell off the copies that I get with the card and my 9800 and hopefully break near even.

If the cut in memory really does hamper performance though, then I guess I can wait until the GTs fall in price.


From what I have seen, Doom 3 and Far Cry run quite a bit better on the 6800NU compared to the 9800 line,


Expecially when taking into account what you said.

anzak
08-29-04, 02:40 AM
Like I said before, If you wait till the refresh the 6800GT will drop to $300 maybe even less.

Lfctony
08-29-04, 03:51 AM
I'd say no, at least to me the 6800 is not that much faster than a 9800XT to spend $200 on it. But, if you sell the 9800XT for around that, then you should upgrade since the upgrade will cost you nothing.

SH64
08-29-04, 06:31 AM
I would say no too . the higher memory in the 9800XT helps it in high res & some other demanding games although the 6800NU is faster in lower res or some other cases like Doom3 .

your best bet is to wait for a GT price drop like what anzak said .

dsn2k
08-29-04, 08:54 AM
not worth it, stick with your 9800xt.

MUYA
08-29-04, 08:56 AM
GT at least :D

bchreng
08-29-04, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the advice guys. I guess I'll wait for the GT.

pharma
08-29-04, 10:26 AM
Or check out this review of a 6800NU that can be clocked to Ultra speeds...

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/asus_saph_review/index.htm

fivefeet8
08-29-04, 01:53 PM
Or check out this review of a 6800NU that can be clocked to Ultra speeds...

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/asus_saph_review/index.htm

Wow. The card is overclocked out of the box(350/1000) with 256 megs of GDDR3 ram. It actually beats an X800pro in Far Cry?!! Now that 6800nu might just be worth it from your 9800xt, if it's priced right.

Cota
08-29-04, 03:08 PM
I'd have to agree, if you own a 256 meg part, dont go to a 128 meg part, the 6800NU is over all faster, But its not worth downgrading a system component just for a small speed boost,

That doesn't make sense. I wouldn't call a speedboost a downgrade just because of the memory.

I agree the 6800 speed boost may not be worth the upgrade price but if the 6800 had 256mb ram (and the asus one does) wouldn't make much of a difference but above 1280x1024 with high AA/AF.

Hardly a downgrade for me. If he wants more features and a little speed bump then its nice upgrade.

ChrisRay
08-29-04, 03:18 PM
That doesn't make sense. I wouldn't call a speedboost a downgrade just because of the memory.

I agree the 6800 speed boost may not be worth the upgrade price but if the 6800 had 256mb ram (and the asus one does) wouldn't make much of a difference but above 1280x1024 with high AA/AF.

Hardly a downgrade for me. If he wants more features and a little speed bump then its nice upgrade.


Oh I think it is, Losing Video Memory for a small speed boost isnt exactly what I'd call an upgrade, I wouldnt switch out 1 gig of DDR266 for 512 Megs of DDR400, Just so I can run my FSB at 400, Its better to wait a little longer and get full fledged upgrade, Than a speed boost, and small downgrade.

It does make sense. Dont get me wrong. I'm an avid fan of the 6800 Line, if you have a 9800 Pro or 5900 with 128 Megs, its an outstanding upgrade. I mean specially if you can Overclock them. My memory OCS to 930 mhz, I leave it at 900 though, and thats the same bandwith as an X800 Pro.

Cota
08-29-04, 03:45 PM
If the overall result is a faster speed then memory size has little to do.

Having more memory doesn't necesarily mean you will have more performance. Besides he stated he plays his games at 1024x768, so even having a card with 512mb would make little difference if any. The 6800 has more processing power than the 9800XT and even more than the 5950ultra and it has more features so in the end it is faster and more feature rich. Is the overall performance/features worth the price... well maybe not for 300 bucks but once the price lowers it will be a good upgrade.

I kind agree with your point, just not with your argument.

Oh and on the 1gb DDR266 vs 512mb DDR400, the latter is so much better.
Not even Doom3 benefits as much from 1 gb than a faster bus.

ChrisRay
08-29-04, 04:46 PM
If the overall result is a faster speed then memory size has little to do.

Having more memory doesn't necesarily mean you will have more performance. Besides he stated he plays his games at 1024x768, so even having a card with 512mb would make little difference if any. The 6800 has more processing power than the 9800XT and even more than the 5950ultra and it has more features so in the end it is faster and more feature rich. Is the overall performance/features worth the price... well maybe not for 300 bucks but once the price lowers it will be a good upgrade.

I kind agree with your point, just not with your argument.

Oh and on the 1gb DDR266 vs 512mb DDR400, the latter is so much better.
Not even Doom3 benefits as much from 1 gb than a faster bus.



Naw the upgrade still dont make sense, You're talking about performance/per price and reccomending a 128 card to upgrade a 256 card, Why should he downgrade 1 component for a 10-15% increase in speed? No it aint worth it. The same can be said for going from 1 gig of memory @ 266 speed to 512 @ 400 speed. You must not play MMORPGs much.

I would rather have 1 gig any day, It'll make a much larger difference in load times. Eventually Games are gonna start requiring larger textures, And moving going from 256 to 128 is downgrade, Anyone who believes going from a 256 card to a 128 card when the performance is minimal, is just silly. This is not a case scenerio where you are going from a Geforce FX 5200 256 card to a Geforce 6800NU 128 card, The performance difference isnt there to justify the memory loss.

Neither would going from DDR266 1 gig to DDR512 400 on a system like an Athlon XP 2400+, There have already been occurances where 256 megs of Vram has made a difference over 128, Same can be said for system memory debate.


The 6800NU is a good card, But the performance increase over a 9800XT IMO is not a viable option considering he loses 128 Megs of Vram. In Some cases he loses performance due to that limitation from his old card. I think everyone here agrees its not a worth while upgrade or worth the effort. I would rather an upgrade improve performance in all circumstances. Rather than just "Some" Circumstances. Hence why this is a bad upgrade decision/choice.

Burnt_Ram
08-29-04, 06:08 PM
do you think a upgrade from a 9800xt to a x800 Pro is a good upgrade ? if you do. get a 6800 cause in the benchmarks ive seen. the 6800 beats the x800 Pro 80% of the time .. if you can sell the 9800xt. then i'd go for a 6800 (nice upgrade) or throw in a few extra bucks if you can afford it and get a GT ;)