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Clay
09-01-04, 12:14 AM
OldOfEvil put in a request to have a forum for anyone that would like to discuss Apple computers. I think it's a great idea as NVIDIA hardware does run on Apple computers going back a few years now. If there is enough traffic in here to warrant its own thread we'll likely do that. For now we'll keep this as a sticky here.

This will be kind of a catch-all for anything Apple related: MacOS, OSX, NVIDIA hardware on Apple computers, etc.

OldOfEvil
09-01-04, 12:40 AM
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7695&stc=1

Apple has today released its new iMac, which is true to the line in being a good amount of computer for the money ( at least as far as Apple products are concerned. )

Its pretty amazing to me that they managed to cram everything into what looks like a early generation LCD display. Not bad considering its what amounts to a small form factor computer - onto the backside of an LCD display.

The specs (http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html) themselves are not bad. A 5200 Ultra is by no means a bad card, just not a very fast one. It still has almost all the features of its big brother the 59XX series.

Iím curious as to how long it will take for vendors to copy what apple has done. Despite what people may think, Apple has always been at the forefront of ďstyleĒ before it become an important aspect of computers. Just look at a Sony Vaio now compared to its iterations during the Pentium days. Dell even started offering multi colored inserts for its laptops not long after apple decided to go disco with its iMac and iBook color scheme. You can easily accuse apple of being gaudy, but you canít accuse them of being non trend setting or innovative..

To be honest Iím not sure how well received this will be. But I hope it will generate some interesting and non mud slinging talks..

:)

OldOfEvil
09-01-04, 12:44 AM
An addendum to my own post..

It seems obvious why Apple has generally ( of late ) stuck with nVidia. Strong OpenGL, strong drivers and a more focus on features instead of raw speed.

MUYA
09-01-04, 12:56 AM
damn......that looks functional

superklye
09-01-04, 12:58 AM
Iím curious as to how long it will take for vendors to copy what apple has done. Despite what people may think, Apple has always been at the forefront of ďstyleĒ before it become an important aspect of computers. Just look at a Sony Vaio now compared to its iterations during the Pentium days. Dell even started offering multi colored inserts for its laptops not long after apple decided to go disco with its iMac and iBook color scheme. You can easily accuse apple of being gaudy, but you canít accuse them of being non trend setting or innovative..

To be honest Iím not sure how well received this will be. But I hope it will generate some interesting and non mud slinging talks..

:)

Umm...actually, Apple stole this from other vendors. We were testing machines for university-wide purchase back in May and, I can't recall the vendor (perhaps MPC) had a PC that was almost identical to this apple one, and that was 4 months ago now.

Clay
09-01-04, 01:03 AM
Umm...actually, Apple stole this from other vendors. We were testing machines for university-wide purchase back in May and, I can't recall the vendor (perhaps MPC) had a PC that was almost identical to this apple one, and that was 4 months ago now.
Or perhaps MPC stole it from Apple. Four months ago is nothing in the likely life cycle that this latest iMac has had...not like it was just thought up and thrown together yesterday ya know. :) Either way, there's constant industrial espionage out there which does make it tough to know exactly who did/though of what first.

superklye
09-01-04, 01:10 AM
Or perhaps MPC stole it from Apple. Four months ago is nothing in the likely life cycle that this latest iMac has had...not like it was just thought up and thrown together yesterday ya know. :) Either way, there's constant industrial espionage out there which does make it tough to know exactly who did/though of what first.

In that case...

I came up with this design 8 years ago and everyone stole it from me.

*finds lawyer's phone number...*

Clay
09-01-04, 01:11 AM
In that case...

I came up with this design 8 years ago and everyone stole it from me.

*finds lawyer's phone number...*
:lol2:

MUYA
09-01-04, 01:15 AM
Like to see how they can get a 680 Ultra in there ...

Clay
09-01-04, 01:19 AM
Like to see how they can get a 680 Ultra in there ...
Oh they fit just fine when you saw off a "0" like you did there. :angel:

Sorry, couldn't resist...where's a snare drum when you need one. Ba doom boom. :D

MUYA
09-01-04, 01:29 AM
Clay ...dun give up yer day job mmmmmmmkay? :wtf:



LOL

:D

Clay
09-01-04, 01:31 AM
Agreed. :D

stncttr908
09-01-04, 09:31 AM
This baffles me. If someone wanted a PC that small, why not just get a PowerBook? :retard:

jnd3
09-01-04, 10:30 AM
17" widescreen is small? That's the biggest PowerBook that they make! Not to mention that the 17" iMac (G5) is less than half the price of the 17" PowerBook (G4). The price you pay for portability, I guess.

For a 12" laptop, where game resolutions will never go above 1024x768, I find the FX5200Go to be a decent performer. UT2k4 seems to run well, at least, as long as I plug in a mouse (just try gaming with a single button, I dare ya!).

ricercar
09-01-04, 10:36 AM
This baffles me. If someone wanted a PC that small, why not just get a PowerBook? :retard:
(1) Horsepower; no G5 powerbooks are available.
(2) Resolution/price; no $1200 powerbooks with equivalent screen real estate.
(3) Footprint; my powerbook takes up way more desk space than a LCD+keyboard.

OldOfEvil
09-01-04, 10:37 AM
I like the fact their really pushing wireless, similar to what they did with the first iMac and USB.

Sazar
09-01-04, 11:26 AM
it looks decent but an fx5200?

just no juice :(

other than that (and proprietary stuff) its a nifty little package... tiny footprint... decent price... and nice looks (not for everyone obviously)

:D

I kinda like it... cept for the video card...

Clay
09-01-04, 11:31 AM
From what I gather on their listed specs the FX5200 is not upgradable?

OldOfEvil
09-01-04, 02:51 PM
Probably not. I can't recall any of the iMac's having upgradble video cards, although the some did offer v-ram upgrades. Would have been nice to include maybe the new 5500 or 5700 series instead

Clay
09-01-04, 03:24 PM
So it's almost sure to be an onboard video chipset solution. Hmm, that does kinda stink.

netviper13
09-01-04, 03:31 PM
It does go along with the idea of iMac though - stylish, but not necessarily a top performer.

wago
03-06-05, 09:27 PM
Hey All-

I've found a reproduceable bug in the NVidia drivers on MacOS X (10.3.x). Any idea how I'd go about getting the kernel panic to an NVidia engineer? I don't expect them to support me, but I'd love to get them the crash so that they can at least consider fixing it.

Ideas? Apple has been totally unresponsive, I've opened 5 repair tickets and one kernel bug ticket. This happens with their latest 10.3.8 update as well as all prior updates that I've tried.

Here's the panic, just in case any engineers are lurking here :)


Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000000 PC=0x000000002756D7D0
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x24ED4C80)
PC=0x2756D7D0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x273F9B98; R1=0x0F753870; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x2740AA10 0x273F9B98 0x274DCC10 0x27420974 0x274CF074 0x2751E43C 0x273887CC 0x000355AC
0x0003548C
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2736e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x1f6f7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.4)@0x2217a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.4)@0x22107000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x24ED4C80)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x2526A280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.8.0:
Wed Dec 22 14:26:17 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.11.1.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000835F8 0x00083ADC 0x0001EDA4 0x00090BD8 0x00093FCC
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x24ED4C80)
PC=0x2756D7D0; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x273F9B98; R1=0x0F753870; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x2740AA10 0x273F9B98 0x274DCC10 0x27420974 0x274CF074 0x2751E43C 0x273887CC 0x000355AC
0x0003548C
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2736e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x1f6f7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.4)@0x2217a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.4)@0x22107000
Exception state (sv=0x2526A280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.8.0:
Wed Dec 22 14:26:17 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.11.1.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


thanks

-matt