Assault Weapons ban expires in 10 days

[SquireSCA]

Counting down!

For those of you that don't know, the Assault Weapons ban of 1994, more commonly known as the "Brady Bill", was a set of new laws that restricted guns and magazines based on cosmetics and ergonomics, in that they banned guns that had certain costmetic similarities with military weapons. The fact they they are not more or less lethal than any other type of weapons is irrelevant. If it has certain cosmetics that make it look like a true assault rifle, then according to the law, it *is* an assault rifle.

A little .22 plinker, if you put a pistol grip and a flash hider on it, qualifies as an assualt rifle. Also keep in mind that a flash hider is not a silencer, nor does it actually hide the muzzle flash. All it does is keeps some of the flash from blinding the person shooting the gun, by directing the flash down and to the sides... But to someone standing to the side of the gun, the flash is actually brighter and the muzzle blast is much louder.

So many myths and lies surround this issue that I won't go into them right now, but suffice to say that I am happy that this stupid law is expiring. Both the CDC and AMA published reports showing that it has had zero impact on crime. All of the claims of Uzi's and AK47's flooding the streets, are BS. Uzi's were banned by the NFA act of 1935, and the AK47 has been legal under the ban, so long as it has certain cosmetics altered.

Like not having a bayonet lug, because god knows we had to put an end to all those drive-by bayonetings... LOL

I am looking forward to this, as I plan on getting tons of stuff as the prices plummet, and things like pre-ban AR15's become more affordable...

All of the background checks remain in place, you still need a permit to carry(except for Vermont), and all that. All that expires is the lame ban on certain guns and magazines based on things that have nothing to dow ith lethality.

Yipee!

[vampireuk]

So still no P-90 then? :(

[SquireSCA]

So still no P-90 then? :(

Ummm... No.

You can get a P90 with a Class III permit, but that is another matter than the AWB. This law that is expiring has nothing to do with fully automatic weapons, it never did, that was why the law was so silly.

The anti-gun nuts are running around screaming about how the streets will be flooded with AK47's if we let this law expire.

I have knews for them; The AK47 was not banned by this law. In fact, I bought a new AK47 last XMas, legally, without even having a special permit. It is a semi-auto rifle, just like any other, but it looks the same as the full auto assault rifle...

[Rakeesh]

Hmm...from the sounds of it I still can't get a mac-11.

[Kamel]

an ak-47 is natively fully automatic, but can be put into semi-automatic mode... you can still buy an mg-42 (albeit very expensive), but it has to be semi-automatic. maybe that is what they are afraid of.

though, keep in mind i think that people will obtain illegal weapons to do illegal things anyway, so it's not like the laws even have _that_ big of an effect on it.

[vampireuk]

Yeah I can't imagine many people buying a weapon and using a weapon registered to theirselves to commit a crime :lol:

[SquireSCA]

Hmm...from the sounds of it I still can't get a mac-11.

But you can still get a Big-Mac, so that is ok. Until someone sues McDonald's and tells you that you cannot be allowed to have one...

Don't worry, it's coming...

[SquireSCA]

an ak-47 is natively fully automatic, but can be put into semi-automatic mode... you can still buy an mg-42 (albeit very expensive), but it has to be semi-automatic. maybe that is what they are afraid of.

though, keep in mind i think that people will obtain illegal weapons to do illegal things anyway, so it's not like the laws even have _that_ big of an effect on it.

But the AK's and MAK90's sold today do not have an auto sear. They are semi-auto only, just like any other rifle, pistol or shotgun. Totally legal under the assault weapons ban so long as it does not have the dreaded BAYONET LUG.

[SquireSCA]

Yeah I can't imagine many people buying a weapon and using a weapon registered to theirselves to commit a crime :lol:

They usually don't , which is why these inane laws rarely impact crime rates... Criminals ignore the gun laws, just as they ignore the laws telling them not to rob, rape or kill people. The notion that a criminal who wants to kill people, will be stopped by a 3 day waiting period is laughable...

[Rakeesh]

But you can still get a Big-Mac, so that is ok.

Yeah but you don't look as cool when you hold a big mac (unless you are standing in a crowd of michael moores, then you look awesome to them.)

[vampireuk]

They usually don't , which is why these inane laws rarely impact crime rates... Criminals ignore the gun laws, just as they ignore the laws telling them not to rob, rape or kill people. The notion that a criminal who wants to kill people, will be stopped by a 3 day waiting period is laughable...

Not been allowed a firearm in this country is one thing that annoys me about the UK

[SquireSCA]

Not been allowed a firearm in this country is one thing that annoys me about the UK

It has to be especially insulting that since your country banned guns, gun crime has gone way up and illegal gun ownership has risen 1,700% according to your Home Office...

That's a kick to the sack, no matter how you look at it...

[vampireuk]

Indeed, so meanwhile law abiding citizens now have no means to defend theirselves. Of course these days if you did defend yourself the would be robber/rapist/murderer would be able to sue you for damages :rolleyes:

[SquireSCA]

Indeed, so meanwhile law abiding citizens now have no means to defend theirselves. Of course these days if you did defend yourself the would be robber/rapist/murderer would be able to sue you for damages :rolleyes:

Correct.

In fact, in the UK, it is worse than you think.

If you and your family are upstairs sleeping and an armed man breaks into your home, you are not allowed to go down and confront him. If he comes upstairs to where you are, then you can legally defend yourself, but if you go down to engage him, then *you* will be charged with assault.

The thinking is that h they give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, that he was just breaking in to rob you, and that until he actually comes upstairs to you, he has not committed assault. But you going to him, is.

Now that's F'd up.

[zakelwe]

Correct.

In fact, in the UK, it is worse than you think.

If you and your family are upstairs sleeping and an armed man breaks into your home, you are not allowed to go down and confront him. If he comes upstairs to where you are, then you can legally defend yourself, but if you go down to engage him, then *you* will be charged with assault.

The thinking is that h they give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, that he was just breaking in to rob you, and that until he actually comes upstairs to you, he has not committed assault. But you going to him, is.

Now that's F'd up.

No what is messed up is that there are far more people who kill themselves accidentally in the USA each year with guns than the total killed by gun crime in the UK.


Regards

Andy

[zakelwe]

Not been allowed a firearm in this country is one thing that annoys me about the UK

It's one of the things that I like to be honest.

Name the last time school kids went into a school and shot someone in the UK ?

Regards

Andy

[CaptNKILL]

I think something isnt right here, 2 of my friends have bought SKS rifles in the past 2 years, and they both have beyonets. The purchases were from reputable online weapons dealers, so they cant possibly be illegal. Perhaps the guns fit into the "curio and relic" category. As far as I know, that means if it has some sort of historical value, its legal as a collectors item, beyonet or not.

The SKS rifle for those that dont know, is very similar to the AK-47 except that it was only made in semi-auto, and looks quite a bit different (no pistol grip, more wood), but fires the same 7.62x39 rounds. I guess the main difference is that they dont have removable magazines. You have to actually load 5-10 rounds by hand or with a stripper clip, rather than just grab another magazine and stick it in.

I cant wait to see more AK-47s around, Ive been wanting to buy one but they are just so expensive! Does this ban effect magazine capacities?

[vampireuk]

It's one of the things that I like to be honest.

Name the last time school kids went into a school and shot someone in the UK ?

Regards

Andy

A kid got stabbed not too long back and died, should we ban all knives?

[CaptNKILL]

BTW, the reason I want an "assault rifle" is for fun. Theres nothing like shooting a reasonably powered weapon many many times at targets...

That and home defense. We have some really nasty bears in this area, breaking through windows to get into houses, demolishing vehicles etc. I know shooting bears is illegal ($500 fine i believe) but if theres one standing in my kitchen one night, i want to be able to take care of it without having to resort to punching it in the nose :rolleyes:

[Rob_0126]

Correct.

In fact, in the UK, it is worse than you think.

If you and your family are upstairs sleeping and an armed man breaks into your home, you are not allowed to go down and confront him. If he comes upstairs to where you are, then you can legally defend yourself, but if you go down to engage him, then *you* will be charged with assault.

The thinking is that h they give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, that he was just breaking in to rob you, and that until he actually comes upstairs to you, he has not committed assault. But you going to him, is.

Now that's F'd up.

Sounds like some slick lawyer got that passed thru a court case.

[Mr. Hunt]

Wait. I am dumb.... what are you trying to say? I can buy a fully automatic weapon in 10 days? As stated before... I am dumb and cannot read.

[SquireSCA]

No what is messed up is that there are far more people who kill themselves accidentally in the USA each year with guns than the total killed by gun crime in the UK.


Regards

Andy

Last year, accidental gun deaths was the lowest recorded since 1903. We lose more people to bath tubs than we do to gun accidents.

[SquireSCA]

It's one of the things that I like to be honest.

Name the last time school kids went into a school and shot someone in the UK ?

Regards

Andy

Dunblane.

If you want some other stories of gun violence in the UK, start with the Guardian Unlimited archive:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Index/0,3332,205958,00.html

Hope you have several hours to read through them...

[SquireSCA]

I think something isnt right here, 2 of my friends have bought SKS rifles in the past 2 years, and they both have beyonets. The purchases were from reputable online weapons dealers, so they cant possibly be illegal. Perhaps the guns fit into the "curio and relic" category. As far as I know, that means if it has some sort of historical value, its legal as a collectors item, beyonet or not.

The SKS rifle for those that dont know, is very similar to the AK-47 except that it was only made in semi-auto, and looks quite a bit different (no pistol grip, more wood), but fires the same 7.62x39 rounds. I guess the main difference is that they dont have removable magazines. You have to actually load 5-10 rounds by hand or with a stripper clip, rather than just grab another magazine and stick it in.

I cant wait to see more AK-47s around, Ive been wanting to buy one but they are just so expensive! Does this ban effect magazine capacities?

1) The SKS was the Eastern Bloc version of our M1 Garand, while the AK47 was their assualt rifle. You can legally buy an SKS because the bayonet lugs were grandfathered if the rifle was made prior to 1994, which they all are.

2) I got my AK47 for $299, and that included three 30 round mags. They are pretty chepa, and the ammo is cheap too.

[SquireSCA]

Wait. I am dumb.... what are you trying to say? I can buy a fully automatic weapon in 10 days? As stated before... I am dumb and cannot read.

No, because the assualt weapon ban has nothing to do with whether or not a gun is fully automatic. The ban only banned certain types of magazines, and certain COSMETICS on some rifles.