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UDawg
09-05-04, 12:47 AM
Here is my problem but first let me lay a few ground rules down.

1. NO FLAMING!
2. NO FANBOYS in this thread
3. This thread WILL NOT be closed. If you post something that is not civil it will be deleted and we will move on.
4. Stay on topic. If you stray from the topic I will delete your post and we will move on.

Now I want serious opinions in this threads not biased pandering.

I am trying to decide on a video card to buy. At first I was going to get the 6800 Ultra but now that I see some of the benchies of CS I am now wondering if that is a good move for me. As many here know I am a huge HL fan and the next installment of the HL series is due out in November.

Now I really like CS and completely love TFC. Both of those will be out with in the year.

What I wan from you guys is a honest discussion of the two top cards, the 6800U and the X800xt PE. I want to know which will be the best performer and the best in IQ. I lean towards nVIDIA but have no prblems with ATI. I just want the best card for my HL2 playing experience.

My system will be a 939 with a 3800 a64 set up. Seeing that I have until november to get this going I am willing to wait for the X800XT PE to be come available should that be the better way to go for me.

Discuss...

MUYA
09-05-04, 12:57 AM
Both cards seemingly will be good for CS or Valve.....Ie perform above FPS needed to give u the illusion of smooth gameplay ..to me thats 40+fps at possibly high res or normal res 1024 by 768 and above with 4XAA and 8X AF.That could be different for u or someone else.

Possibly and quite likely ATI will have a lead in CS and Valve over NV hardware for reasons unknown and only going by the VST benches.

However, just one or two games isn't really going to really base your decisions is it?

Folks like MikeC or Clay who both tested a 6800 Ultra and x800 XT PE can better answer your question.

As a 6800 Ultra owner, I am very happy with mine for games I play, like Doom III, Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2K4, Halo, F1 Challenge, CMR4 etc. All playable with the exception at the highest resolution my LCD will support at 1280 by 1024 with 4X AA and 8XAF. Halo does not support AA. A x800 Pro and XT PE will be able to game well at those settings in those games too and I wish I had one to test so as well :p

jAkUp
09-05-04, 01:13 AM
hmmm.. well right now I am playing CS Source at 1600x1200 with 4xAA and 16x AF and I am getting above 60fps at all times. Usually around 80 or so. So... really, you will have a great experience with either card. I would probabaly recommend a 6800 Ultra right now for a few reasons.

1. You can actually buy one :)
2. SM3.0 Support
3. Slightly below average d3d person in comparision to ati, but only slight
4. Huge opengl advantage over ati

jAkUp
09-05-04, 01:19 AM
Check out the screenshot below that I took, and notice the fps display in the upper right hand corner. And thats with 2 instances of smoke on the screen!

Not to mention that is 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF with all options maxed
http://img73.exs.cx/img73/6582/untitled115.th.jpg (http://img73.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img73&image=untitled115.jpg) http://img72.exs.cx/img72/3700/untitled84.th.jpg (http://img72.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img72&image=untitled84.jpg)

Also this HL2 benchmark a 1600x1200 4xAA/16XAF is definetely nothing to scoff at:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7744&stc=1

nVidi0t
09-05-04, 01:19 AM
I went for the 6800 Ultra. Yeah yeah, I'm totally biased towards nVidia I'll admit, but the 6800 Ultra leads in the majority of games, and the performance difference in CS:S still shows the 6800 producing perfectly playable FPS. Also, consider the number of titles which will use the Doom 3 engine over the next year.

anzak
09-05-04, 10:36 AM
Hmm. It really depends on SM3.0 and it's usefulness. When it comes to overall power the X800XT wins it in my book due to it's huge fill rate advantage. IF price is no object go for the X800XT (good luck finding one for under $550). IF you would like to save a little money buy the 6800GT and overclock it. IMO the $500 cards performance dose not justify the price when you can overclock a 6800GT to get the same performance or better.