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Pandora's Box
09-06-04, 02:18 PM
ok im majorly bottlenecked by my amd xp 2700+. so im going to invest in a athlon 64.

im keeping the pc2700 ram for now, and same goes for hard drive. only things that are changing is motherboard and cpu.

plan on getting a athlon 64 2800+ along with a soltek nforce 3 250gb motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-180-061&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-452&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE


What do you guys think?

I came to the conclusion that my processor needs to be upgraded asap. far cry ran at 30fps with no aa no af 1280x1024 so processor = bottleneck galor.

Nutty
09-06-04, 02:30 PM
If you're majorly bottlenecked on an 2700+, will an A64 2800+ make much difference ? Are you planning on overclocking it alot ?

Pandora's Box
09-06-04, 02:35 PM
i plan on overclocking it to 2ghz. as for making much difference thats the question im asking.

Gator
09-07-04, 10:16 AM
Well an AXP-2700 @ 2.2ghz is pretty damn respectable, I'm very surprised you're feeling bottlenecked. But yes an A64 will help. I went from an AXP-2600 @ 1.92ghz to an A64-3200 @ 2ghz, and I saw a very nice performance boost. Being that I only have an FX5900XT and still saw a big leap in frame rates and 3dmarks, your 6800GT would definetly benefit from such a CPU upgrade.

I'm not crazy about you going for the A64-2800 though. You're memory is PC2700 so you're already limited on overclockability there. And while the A64-2800 can be overclocked there are never any gurantees on that. I'd feel more comfortable recommending an A64-3200 @ 2.2ghz instead, that way I can gurantee a noticible performance boost.

As for the Soltek, it's not my first pick. I'm not crazy about the layout of the board. I'd sooner recommend the Gigabyte K8NS Pro or MSI K8N Neo Platium.

I know that's probably more than you wanted to spend, but you get what you pay for ;) If you still insist on an A64-2800 overclocked to 2ghz, yes you will still see some performance boost.

Pandora's Box
09-07-04, 11:08 AM
Well an AXP-2700 @ 2.2ghz is pretty damn respectable, I'm very surprised you're feeling bottlenecked. But yes an A64 will help. I went from an AXP-2600 @ 1.92ghz to an A64-3200 @ 2ghz, and I saw a very nice performance boost. Being that I only have an FX5900XT and still saw a big leap in frame rates and 3dmarks, your 6800GT would definetly benefit from such a CPU upgrade.

I'm not crazy about you going for the A64-2800 though. You're memory is PC2700 so you're already limited on overclockability there. And while the A64-2800 can be overclocked there are never any gurantees on that. I'd feel more comfortable recommending an A64-3200 @ 2.2ghz instead, that way I can gurantee a noticible performance boost.

As for the Soltek, it's not my first pick. I'm not crazy about the layout of the board. I'd sooner recommend the Gigabyte K8NS Pro or MSI K8N Neo Platium.

I know that's probably more than you wanted to spend, but you get what you pay for ;) If you still insist on an A64-2800 overclocked to 2ghz, yes you will still see some performance boost.

i figured i can hold out another month or two and then get a amd 64 3500+ or 3800+.

i dont know whats up with this system. i thought a athlon xp 2700+ at 2.2ghz would be fine for far cry at max settings with 4xaa 16xaf at 1280x1024. but outside i get 35-40fps. thats not what reviews are saying i should be getting. with no aa no af same settings at 1280x1024 i still get 35-40fps outside. so that proves im cpu bottlenecked. ive tried reformatting twice with both the 65.73 and 61.77 drivers. :retard:

Sazar
09-07-04, 11:11 AM
yah it might be an idea to wait for a slightly bigger upgrade pandora :)

teh sckt 939 path seems good and the boards quality should improve in the time frame as well :)

Pandora's Box
09-07-04, 11:14 AM
yeah hopefully in a month dfi or asus will release a socket 939 nforce 3 250gb motherboard.

Sazar
09-07-04, 11:28 AM
IIRC rip said that dfi had cancelled their announced nf3 939 solution and were coming out with an alternate product later with pci-E...

i could be wrong... what with old age I can't remember stuff anymore :(

Pandora's Box
09-07-04, 11:48 AM
IIRC rip said that dfi had cancelled their announced nf3 939 solution and were coming out with an alternate product later with pci-E...

i could be wrong... what with old age I can't remember stuff anymore :(


yeah i read that too. hope its wrong though. im steering clear of the msi k8n neo2. hows the asus a8v deluxe?

Riptide
09-07-04, 12:16 PM
yeah i read that too. hope its wrong though.

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=866885&postcount=1345
A little off topic here but I got confurmation that the DFI 939 board will be no AGP/ Only PCIX and will be available sometime ion the 4th quarter.

Pandora's Box
09-07-04, 02:29 PM
bah. oh well. all hope is left in asus.

zoomy942
09-08-04, 10:10 AM
this is a great thread cause i am buying an athlon 64 tomorrow. i am getting the 2800+ and i'll oc it a little, but i have an athlon 3200+ barton right now,. i am tired of tweaking and such right now... i'm a little burnt out and i am gonna get something that i can just EVJOY for 6 months or a year. i m getting that 2800 64, a gig of ram and a 6800gt. yipee

PaiN
09-08-04, 10:40 AM
I hear good things about the Soltek boards...but just know, if you're planning on overclocking...they have very limited Vcor options(w/ the current bios)

{Sniping}Waste
09-08-04, 10:51 AM
It should be faster. My A64 3000+ is much faster then my 1800+ JIUHB at 2.35gig and the 3000+ was at stock speed 2 gig with pc2700 (333) running at 333.

lytalbayre
09-09-04, 02:08 PM
Just my two cents, but if I was going to spend some money, I'd buy a nice new 1 gig pair of PC3200 or higher and then oc the 2700+.

In my experience, increasing the FSB gives a much better results than other things.

That being said, however, there is something to say for HTT hyper transport on the A64.... that increases performance by quite a bit.
So, there may be some tough decisions on your part to weigh the two.

I would recommend the good memory.... and then in about 5-6 months get your A64.

Gator
09-09-04, 02:11 PM
Just my two cents, but if I was going to spend some money, I'd buy a nice new 1 gig pair of PC3200 or higher and then oc the 2700+...

I gotta disagree, I think he's better off keeping his PC2700 memory and just transfering it to the Athlon64 when he's ready. And the only problem with overclocking his AXP2700 is that it's a tbred core. That means it's already running pretty hot at his current 2.2ghz. Anymore of an overclock could require some serious cooling, maybe water cooling, assuming it can go any higher at all.

Pandora's Box
09-09-04, 02:30 PM
I gotta disagree, I think he's better off keeping his PC2700 memory and just transfering it to the Athlon64 when he's ready. And the only problem with overclocking his AXP2700 is that it's a tbred core. That means it's already running pretty hot at his current 2.2ghz. Anymore of an overclock could require some serious cooling, maybe water cooling, assuming it can go any higher at all.

i can get it to 210 x 11 for 2.3GHZ. windows loads, i can run 3dmark but it craps out file curroption messages.

francisD
09-09-04, 03:57 PM
Another vote for the Soltek board, People have been getting some impressive overclocks out of this board, I have heard of quality control problems of MSI Neo boards, and I had to return the one I had, absolute nightmare. My soltek works like a dream. I don't overclock new hardware. But this thing is stable as a rock.

Pandora's Box
09-09-04, 04:43 PM
hmmm soltek dont have a 939 pin with nforce 3 250gb chipset. i refuse to go via.

francisD
09-09-04, 05:16 PM
hmmm soltek dont have a 939 pin with nforce 3 250gb chipset. i refuse to go via.

I think 939 pins start at the 3500 amd64 chip($$$$), and they are not that big of a difference from 754's in gaming. Just fyi.

lytalbayre
09-09-04, 05:18 PM
athlon xp 2700+ 2.2 ghz (230fsb x 9.5multi) with PC 3200/3500

vs

A64 2800+ at 2.1ghz (210fsb(OPTIMISTIC) x 10multi) with PC 2700

I'd like some benchies to compare.... I'm betting it would be close enough that it would be a matter of preference.

I guess my memory remark is that my first response/instict is that's his bottleneck.

Pandora's Box
09-09-04, 05:30 PM
I think 939 pins start at the 3500 amd64 chip($$$$), and they are not that big of a difference from 754's in gaming. Just fyi.


yes but i dont want to have to switch motherboard and cpu when i upgrade further down the road. apparently the dual core cpu's use socket 939. just need a bios update.

francisD
09-09-04, 09:20 PM
athlon xp 2700+ 2.2 ghz (230fsb x 9.5multi) with PC 3200/3500

vs

A64 2800+ at 2.1ghz (210fsb(OPTIMISTIC) x 10multi) with PC 2700

I'd like some benchies to compare.... I'm betting it would be close enough that it would be a matter of preference.

I guess my memory remark is that my first response/instict is that's his bottleneck.

I would have to agree, I went from a 2500xp@3200 to a amd64 3200 754 pin and saw very little difference. If I hadn't gotten the setup for free after selling some parts, I wouldn't have paid to upgrade.

zoomy942
09-09-04, 09:43 PM
I would have to agree, I went from a 2500xp@3200 to a amd64 3200 754 pin and saw very little difference. If I hadn't gotten the setup for free after selling some parts, I wouldn't have paid to upgrade.

but doesnt the better core of the 64 help in games like doom 3 when the processor does a whole lot of work?

francisD
09-10-04, 09:36 AM
but doesnt the better core of the 64 help in games like doom 3 when the processor does a whole lot of work?

Not noticably to me, I played at 1024x768 on Ultra High with my 6800gt on both systems. Seemed the same, Now I'm not big on counting fps, I can just tell by feel and reaction time. Both felt the same. It's not worth the money. If you are running a 2500xp@3200speeds or any thing close, I would wait until prices on the amd64's drop down considerably.