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Sazar
09-07-04, 12:03 PM
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that mid-level officials in the U.S. government were undermining his country's war on terrorism by supporting Chechen separatists, whom he compared to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Putin's charge, made in a meeting with a group of western foreign policy experts, came just days after hundreds of people, mostly children, died in the bloody end to the Beslan siege.

Putin also defended his government's decision to storm the school and said the hostage holders had begun shooting children out of boredom.

His comments did not suggest the final raid was triggered by the shooting of children.

In the wide-ranging meeting which lasted almost four hours, Putin said he likes President Bush, calling him a friendly, decent, predictable person.

But Putin said each time Russia complained to the Bush administration about meetings held between U.S. officials and Chechen separatist representatives, the U.S. response has been "we'll get back to you" or "we reserve the right to talk with anyone we want."

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Putin blamed what he called a "Cold War mentality" on the part of some U.S. officials, but likened their demands that Russia negotiate with the Chechen separatists to the U.S. talking to al Qaeda.

These are not "freedom fighters," Putin said. "Would you talk with Osama Bin Laden?" he asked.

Putin said the Chechen separatists are trying to ignite ethnic tensions in the former Soviet Union and it could have severe repercussions.

"Osama Bin Laden attacked the United States saying he was doing it because of policies in the Middle East," Putin said. "Do you call him a freedom fighter?"

Putin's comments came a few weeks after the U.S. granted asylum to Ilias Akhmadov, the "foreign minister" of the Chechen separatist movement.

The Russian president also justified the rescue operation in Beslan, conceding that it took time to mobilize the operation.

He said Russian special forces stormed the school knowing they themselves were likely to be killed.

In one dramatic moment, Putin said Russian security forces overheard a disturbing walkie-talkie conversation between the terrorists:

"What are you doing? Why? I hear some noise. What's going on? I'm just in the middle of shooting some children."

"They were bored," Putin said. "So they shot children."

sounds ludicrous and yet plausible @ the same time...

putin is certainly in some hotwater over this incident but as in venezuela and other nations the policies we engage in seems utterly confounding...

what possible reason do we have to offer asylum to a chechen "foreign minister" ? how would we feel if russia gave asylum to bin laden ?

DaveW
09-07-04, 12:12 PM
This is rich considering they offered very little support to our war in afghanistan and no support for the war in iraq.

retsam
09-07-04, 12:14 PM
what the hell are we thinking when we give asylum to this animal .... what the hell ...

Sazar
09-07-04, 12:25 PM
This is rich considering they offered very little support to our war in afghanistan and no support for the war in iraq.

yes but to my knowledge they were not offering asylum to al-qaeda and the taliban...

whether a nation wants to commit its troops to an armed conflict is up to them... even so russia did support our actions in afghanistan (even if it was a token show of support)

I don't think we are doing any favors by actively supporting the opposition in various nations...

Sazar
09-07-04, 12:26 PM
what the hell are we thinking when we give asylum to this animal .... what the hell ...

I dunno if I would class him as an animal... the russians are not blameless wrt chechnya... but it does seem a little conflicted for us to be providing aslyum to people termed terrorists in another nation...

retsam
09-07-04, 04:10 PM
dunno if I would class him as an animal

blowing-up children on purpose is an animal to me ... plane and simple

Sazar
09-07-04, 04:12 PM
the guy who was given asylum did not blow up children afaik... although tbh I dunno what the heck he did do in chechnya... a minister of some sort but in apostrophes leaves lotsa possible job descriptions :D

anywaysi really dont think the United States of america would grant asylum to a murderer... :)

oldsk00l
09-07-04, 04:13 PM
w0rd dude

Rakeesh
09-07-04, 08:10 PM
what possible reason do we have to offer asylum to a chechen "foreign minister" ? how would we feel if russia gave asylum to bin laden ?

IIRC didn't russia offer assylum to Saddam prior to the invasion?

Son Goku
09-07-04, 11:15 PM
sounds ludicrous and yet plausible @ the same time...

putin is certainly in some hotwater over this incident but as in venezuela and other nations the policies we engage in seems utterly confounding...

what possible reason do we have to offer asylum to a chechen "foreign minister" ? how would we feel if russia gave asylum to bin laden ?

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that mid-level officials in the U.S. government were undermining his country's war on terrorism by supporting Chechen separatists, whom he compared to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

And yet we're serious on the war on terror on the one hand, but on the other...

/remembering images of dead children here and the aftermath at that there school

And yes Putin is in some hot water wrt both the Russian people and media. I'm in a wait and see mode on some of this... Helping Chechen seperatists (to what degree?) after the school siege doesn't seem consistent with a goal set to combat terrorism however...

Sazar
09-08-04, 12:33 AM
IIRC didn't russia offer assylum to Saddam prior to the invasion?

did they?

I know a coupla nations were willing to take him as an exile in an arrangement with the united states to vacate power in iraq... I don't know whether he was offered asylum in russia though...

-edit-

read through various news articles on this topic... saddam apparently sought asylum and one of the nations mentioned as a possibility in the media was russia... russia and iran (surprising to see their name in this) both refused...

last report I saw wrt this was march 7, 2003...

http://news.indiainfo.com/spotlight/usiraq/07saddam.html