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zoomy942
09-09-04, 09:14 PM
okay, i am getting a new pc since the upgrade bug bite me. well, i need a few ideas.. the things i am NOT comprimising on are the evga 6800gt $392. thats a done deal... and my athlon 64 2800+ $144, and an Aopen AK86-L $44 are not changing either. my budget needs to stay as close to $700 as i can. but can go over it about $50-100, but i would like to not go too much. i dont need a case, so thats covered. well, my hard drive COULD be SATA, but i dont know about that, since there is a $20 price differnce between theat and IDE. and the RAM... i was going to get 1 gig for $158 but i could do 2X256 of GIEL ULTRA for $88, and get some more later. and i am getting just a cheapr DVD/CDRW combo drive for $34 till dual layer dvd is more mainstream. so wher should my comprimises be? does everyone agree that the 512 wiull be okay ram for now? and the hard drive is puzzling too.

Pandora's Box
09-09-04, 09:19 PM
i would suggest either getting 1 gig of ram now, or just 1 stick of 512MB.

kahloq
09-09-04, 09:44 PM
1 gig of ram NOW!

zoomy942
09-09-04, 09:47 PM
i talked it over woith the wifey, she somehow has good pc sense, and i am gonna go gig. whew!

Pandora's Box
09-09-04, 09:56 PM
as for ide or sata theres not much difference in the mainstream drive area.

zoomy942
09-09-04, 09:57 PM
really? no difference?

kahloq
09-09-04, 10:18 PM
The difference is minor. Ultra ATA maxes at 133 mb/s sata is 150mb/s

cambrian
09-09-04, 10:50 PM
go with at least 1 gig. I have 1.5 gig and it's great!!!!!

You can never have too much RAM (kngt)

That smiley didn't make any sense but it's so funny

subbo
09-10-04, 09:24 AM
I've had 1GB for over a year and I'm starting to feel 1.5GB would be nice these days. 512MB is definately a joke. I tried it again while building my new system and the load times+swapping is crazy.

mustrum
09-10-04, 09:33 AM
I think it's pretty clear by now but here we go. 1 GB NOW FOR SURE! There's lots of games that only run smooth with 1GB.
There's the occational 512mb user claiming it's smooth but they just don't mind/recognise the harddrive-access stuttering.

zoomy942
09-10-04, 09:42 AM
awesome. what about SATA and IDE. i have never had sata so i dont know. i could go scsi (for free) possibly. maybe that would be better?

kahloq
09-10-04, 10:04 AM
awesome. what about SATA and IDE. i have never had sata so i dont know. i could go scsi (for free) possibly. maybe that would be better?
I dont think scsi would be much better really. The difference is very very minor anymore. Scsi used to be the way to go, but not so much anymore.

Most motherboards already have a sata raid built into the mobo if you want to set up a raid 0 or raid 1 array. My motherboard actually has 2 options....one is the ICHr5 intel which supports raid 0 or raid 1 with ONE array without any need for additional drivers. There is also the Promise raid controller which allows for 2 arrays(raid 0 + raid 1, raid 0 + raid 0, raid 1 + raid 1) for a total of 4 sata drives, but additonal drivers have to be loaded.

A sata drive running at 7200 rpm will not see much difference between that and a scsi drive. However, a sata 10000 rpm drive is going to probably perform better...though not like an average user could tell the difference.

Pandora's Box
09-10-04, 10:30 AM
scsi isnt really a good idea in my opinion. your going to be limited to about 130MB/s (the speed of the pci bus).

Riptide
09-10-04, 10:41 AM
Pandora's right. If you can't get past the PCI32 limitation then it will hamstring your bandwidth. U320 SCSI drives are still faster than SATA but that bottleneck just kills them in a desktop system any more... There are a few options to get around that but they cost more than they're worth.

zoomy942
09-10-04, 10:46 AM
well then what about ide and sata?

Pandora's Box
09-10-04, 10:47 AM
well then what about ide and sata?


ide and sata are on the motherboard. they dont use the pci bus. there presently isnt a socket 754 motherboard with scsi on board.

INGlewood78
09-10-04, 11:40 AM
Get IDE...theres no point in getting SATA when the interface in not the bottleneck on HDs.

zoomy942
09-10-04, 11:44 AM
Get IDE...theres no point in getting SATA when the interface in not the bottleneck on HDs.


really?

Riptide
09-10-04, 11:56 AM
really?
The cables are smaller though. I know it isn't a huge deal, but it is nice to not have to use big ribbons or even round cables with the huge connectors on the end.

Plus, SATA drives often have better access times which does make them quicker even if the bandwidth across the interface is still somewhat limited.

zoomy942
09-10-04, 11:57 AM
okay.. here's the worst part. buyign a case. i hate paying $12.99 for shipping

Barrok
09-10-04, 12:05 PM
Get a raptor sata drive. You wont regret it ;) It is super quick, 10,000 rpm, 5.3ms access time for the 36 and 4.7 or something for the 74 gb. Great drives, a little pricey but worth it. Get 1gig of ram! No questions asked! Also get a better motherboard, that thing bites :) At least spend $75 and get a vnf3-250 chaintech nforce3-250 motherboard. As for the case, find a local store and buy one there if you dont want to pay for a huge shipping cost. Anyway, thats what i think ;)