Geforce FX+HL2

[morbias]

Edit: Had it with the personal attacks buddy. If you keep this line of posting up. Your last post will be very soon --ChrisRay

[Pandora's Box]

*Flame Material Removed* --ChrisRay


right because you dont have any real proof to back up your claims. if there were problems with need for speed underground, f1 2001, etc... there would be a ton of people complaining. there is not however so... :lame:

[Sazar]

might be best to hold some of those comments back till the game actually comes out...

from teh stress tests the nv3x products seem to handle hl2 related shaders more than adequately and suffer minimal IQ loss as a consequence...

if the users are getting the best possible experience on their products and its just slightly less than the complete UBER experience I don't see a problem really... hell i would be happy if the differences were effectively imperceptible....

[zoomy942]

might be best to hold some of those comments back till the game actually comes out...

from teh stress tests the nv3x products seem to handle hl2 related shaders more than adequately and suffer minimal IQ loss as a consequence...

if the users are getting the best possible experience on their products and its just slightly less than the complete UBER experience I don't see a problem really... hell i would be happy if the differences were effectively imperceptible....

i agree with you about the users. other than the handful of people who care about the implementation of what shader and what not... its all about the entertainment value. i am definately in the category of "caring about shaders" an all that jazz.. but as long as a gamer who doesnt care about that has a great time playing a game... then let them enjoy it. he wont notice little IQ differences

[Cheeseh]

I don't see what the problem is in HL2? Why the slow frame rates? Wasn't FarCry using DirectX9? I got reasonable framerates with Farcry on my FX5900 XT, what's the prob? :)

[Socos]

im not pissed cuz the dx9 effects in hl2 arent that big of a difference from what ive seen, and i dont care about hl2 i want cs (mag)

I happen to agree with you NividaGuru.... What I don't understand is how some people on Nivida's side of the fence will say what you just said but then act like SM3.0 is the next coming of Christ..
People saying that X800's are not as future proof as a 6800?? For crying out loud when games actually even approach SM3.0 spec's let alone bump into the SM2.0 ceiling the X800 and 6800 will be low end parts.... :nanahump:

[dan2097]

I don't see what the problem is in HL2? Why the slow frame rates? Wasn't FarCry using DirectX9? I got reasonable framerates with Farcry on my FX5900 XT, what's the prob? :)

Alot of the dx9 shaders were replaced with dx8 approximations when playing farcry on a gffx...

[fraggenstien]

I too saw an article on the fact that Farcry used DX 8.1 in the GFFX’s rather than DX9 like the Radions cant find the article again though (and I have tried) so can’t post a link.

I thought nvidias much touted inline compiler as introduced in the 50 driver set was supposed to have cured all these incompatibility problems with the FX’s and DX9 it doesn’t seem to improve performance in HL2 though, after all this time in development I would have expected better from nvidia. I mean ATI 9800 and 9600 are users able to play all their games as the developer intended them to be seen, sure there a bit slower on doom 3 but all the details there and there’s not that much difference in frame rate that the game becomes unplayable. I’m hoping that nvidia pull a driver out of the hat that will give us an extra 20 FPS and full DX9 effects because although you cant see that much detail difference now on the CS map Valve have released I bet you will in HL2 especially in areas of the game where there’s a lot of water (DX9 water looks much better in the stress test demo than DX8.1 water). Does any one know if nvidia have officially responded to the findings of the various hardware websites such as Firing squad and their articles on this subject? Do nvidia care? After all they seem to have a good product in the 6800 chipset maybe they will try and forget about the FX. For now I still feel disappointed, wonder if I can get a refund for my fake ass DX9 card?

[-=DVS=-]

Do no other nvidia geforce FX owners care but me that their cards wont be able to play Half Life 2 with all the DX9 effects turned on, after we spent our hard earned cash on these NEXT GEN supposedly DX 9 cards. After all we got them to play doom 3 and HL 2 on did'nt we?. Have we been ripped off?, will nvidia release drivers so we will get all the effects(at good speeds) before the game is released?,is any one else P***ed off?.

If you got FX card to play next gen games you have been strongly missinformed
(spit)

[WarheadMM]

i got a FX 5900 and it play in CS:S at 50fps. Thats in DX9 mode forced. In Dx 8.1 i get 120fsp


also there is no IQ difference between DX 8.1 and 9

[ragejg]

also there is no IQ difference between DX 8.1 and 9

Oooo, I think some might disagree with you on that one...

[Pandora's Box]

i got a FX 5900 and it play in CS:S at 50fps. Thats in DX9 mode forced. In Dx 8.1 i get 120fsp


also there is no IQ difference between DX 8.1 and 9


i disagree. directx 9 is 10x better than 8.1

[lIqUID]

why are we arguing about outdated hardware? Next thing you know some stooge with 0 posts will come in here and whine about his Geforce 4 being slow in D3 @ high detail.

If you dont like it upgrade..... I bought an FX5900 and it runs all my games superbly, when it starts to show wear then Ill move on, thats how things work man.

[morbias]

coz this is the outdated hardware forum!! :)

[ChrisRay]

i disagree. directx 9 is 10x better than 8.1

In what way IQ? from I have seen there has been very small differences between the Shader 1.4 path and the 2.0. Because the paths just dont need the extra instructions.

[WarheadMM]

In what way IQ? from I have seen there has been very small differences between the Shader 1.4 path and the 2.0. Because the paths just dont need the extra instructions.

yeah....especially in CS:S....there is very low to no IQ difference between DX 8.1 and DX9 in CS:S

[WeReWoLf]

Personally i couldn't care less at the moment... I just want to get my hands on HL2 so i can play it. I don't care what is rendering it, i just wanna play it!!! Offtopic though, i love ur avatar RageJG... "And You... you're Mr. Pink..."

[Arraso]

FarCry demo really use DX8.1 shaders, but FarCry 1.1 use SM2.0 with partial precision (FP16).

But the patch 1.2 runs with FP32 - and the frame drop down.

[ChrisRay]

FarCry demo really use DX8.1 shaders, but FarCry 1.1 use SM2.0 with partial precision (FP16).

But the patch 1.2 runs with FP32 - and the frame drop down.


No Far Cry Demo uses 8.1 Shaders.


Far Cry Demo 1.1 runs alot of Integer class shaders with normalization of cubemaps. 1.2 Path runs FX series/6800 series with Primarily Fp16 (which is more than enough for Shader 2.0 model atm)

[Shamrock]

try running a 6800 on a 2Ghz cpu, in games such as Asherons call 2, nfs underground, or f1 2002.

i can't provide proof, as i have only read of these problems in forums and obviously forum links aren't always solid. nVidia has not released any information on the problem - but then why would they if there was a serious flaw in their hardware.

please realise that these corruptions and slowdowns happen seemingly randomly and so are hard to replicate on certain setups. a slower cpu does however seem to increase the probability of it happening

I have F1 2002, AND F1 Challenge 99-02, and I cant find any "cascading effect" Mine runs great at 70+ fps...albeit, on a 5900U FLASHED to a 5950U

I've even slowed down to look at the purdy countryside, and swaying trees, still cant find a cascade effect.

(bs2)

[morbias]

as i said b4, it will only happen 4 some ppl. if you get the problem i described then i was trying to shed some light on why, if you don't then no point worrying about.
..that post was deleted by admin 4 a 'personal flame'??

[Daneel Olivaw]

I'm a satisfied FX5900xt user. And I play NFSu, I've slowed down my CPU to 1.6GHz and seen nothing amiss, nor afoot, nor afoot-and-a-half.

I'd like screenshots, or a respectable study on the matter.

[Pandora's Box]

yes this morbias guy needs to backup his claims. u cant just go around saying its broken without saying why and giving proof that its broken.

[Knot3D]

Indeed. Nobody is right or wrong until Half Life 2 finally ships.

We can only guess. My gues right now is though, that cards
like the GeForceFX5200, 5600 and 5700 won't be able to play
HL2 at FUN settings.

I think Nvidia is/gonna be hard at work on Forceware to
ensure that FX5900 and up will play HL2 well at least 1024 x 768, 32 bits
and AAx4 and AFx8 in DX9.0c ; minimum of 40 frames p/sec should be priority.

[mrgoodcheese]

.........

also there is no IQ difference between DX 8.1 and 9

There is a slight difference, but it's not better one way or the other.