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DaveW
09-16-04, 08:30 PM
Which will you choose?

I'm not impressed with WOW's graphics. Blizzard hasn't changed its graphics style at all since its previous games - the best cutscenes ever, but simple cartoony looking graphics. Diablo was the only possible exception. The cuteness will no doubt appeal to console RPGers, but I don't know how many of them take an interest in PC MMORPGs. EQ2 is showing off some awesome graphics, plus it has the fan-base of the original EQ to build on. SOE are experts at making very addictive MMORPGS and Blizzard are new to the genre. On the other hand, I just get this feeling that WOW will just be a lot more fun and rewarding to play. Has Blizzard ever made a bad game? not that I know of. I haven't forgiven SOE for SWG on the other hand.

Mr. Hunt
09-16-04, 09:04 PM
I say EQ2 looks like it will be the better game... but I probably won't buy either. If EQ2 has anywhere near as many expansion packs as part 1 I will hate it. I don't believe I should have to shell out more money on top of the monthly fee just to get stuff I should get anyway (after paying 13 bucks or whatever a month).

Arioch
09-17-04, 03:33 AM
WoW looks better in game than the screenshots show and the Pixer Shader effects were not enabled during the stress test. I was skeptical about the cartoony style of the game but after playing it I actually liked it. The game engine allows for large environments like the capital cities and a good draw distance. It even runs well on people with less than stellar systems.

Blizzard has a great track record in games and I think this one will be pretty damn good. I had favorable impressions during my week in the stress test and there was already a good deal of content in the game for a beta. I had more fun in the week I played this than the first week of playing DAoC and even as much fun as UO - the quest system makes leveling a lot more fun than the boring tasks and kill tasks in DAoC IMHO. I will definitely be picking up this game when it is released.

Maverick123w
09-17-04, 04:02 AM
I think EQ2 tried to be too realistic with the gfx and it jsut looks wierd to me. The characters look like plastic. WoW was definatlely fun during the stress test. The gfx were good and it ran very well. WoW doesnt bring anything new to the table really but it has the blizzard polish which will make it succesfull. I have my mmo hopes on a game called Dark and Light. www.darknlight.net www.darkandlight.com Should be great :)

Btw damn EQ for making almost every mmo but UO a freaking cookie cutter copy.

Arioch
09-17-04, 04:51 AM
Yeah freaking EA could have had a hit on its hands if it would have made a true sequel to UO using a 3D engine and with all of its content. One thing about WoW that I like is some of the trade skills in the game that I missed from UO like mining, blacksmithing, and fishing.

vampireuk
09-17-04, 05:00 AM
I've had WOW preordered for around 6 months now :D

Ninjaman09
09-17-04, 11:54 AM
Yeah, WoW definitely for me. Arioch is totally right, the screenshots just don't do the game justice. The artwork in the game is absolutely amazing, and I'm sure you would all agree after seeing it in action. Walk into Stormwind City for the first time and tell me you didn't gasp in awe.

Anyway, the gameplay was far more fun than any MMORPG I've played, most especially City of Heroes and <shudder> Star Wars Galaxies. The quest system is really awesome and takes the edge off leveling up, and for once I actually found myself somewhat interested in what the NPCs had to say! It was really neat. Another thing I noticed about the game that I just haven't experienced with other MMORPGs is the very high level of immersion in the world. It's good ****.

And by the way, DaveW, Warcraft III is Blizzard's only really "cartoony" looking game on the PC.

0rk.p0rk
09-17-04, 12:37 PM
Wow. If you like bland, boring gameplay then go ahead and pick EQ2.

Arioch
09-17-04, 12:46 PM
I don't know what the sound is like in EQ2 but the music is top-notch in WoW as is the case with Blizzard titles and the ambient sound effects are good.

I couldn't point my finger on what exactly it was about the EQ2 videos that I disliked but Maverick123w hit the nail on the head with his "plastic" reference.

Of course the game could look better in person but I only have time for one MMORPG and it's going to be WoW for me.

nrdstrm
09-17-04, 01:40 PM
I like how everyone is chooseing WOW based on PLAYING it where as they are ditching EQII WITHOUT playing it. Truth is, no one knows wich is better yet as neither game is out. I tested WOW during the stress test and was supprised at how much fun it was. I am definetly considering it. That being said I am a bit of an EQ fanboy and after playing it for about an hour at E3 earlier this year, I give it high marks so far as well. As far as the "plastic" look, please don't prejudge, they have been redoing the artwork seemingly once a month. As for the sound, I give EQII the edge as all of the NPC's have real voicework behind them (they talk to you and to each other).
Anyway, I'm taking a wait and see attitude, I'll probably try both, and stay with wich ever one I find more enjoyable...
Nrdstrm

redoulent
09-17-04, 04:25 PM
I was an original EQ player. I got better :banghead:

I would go with EQ2 as Sony is far more experienced at :nanahump: it's customers!!!!!

Severian126
09-17-04, 07:08 PM
I'm going w/ WoW on this one. I've seen it in action, and played a bit of it off my friend's PC (who was in the beta) and that game looks great. Yes, I'm basing my decision on the fact that I tried WoW and not EQ2. However, if EQ2 is anything like EQ, count me the hell out. It's like a Disney-made MMO. The only good MMOs currently out right now is still DAOC, because it offers players the best of borth world of non-pvp and pvp without having to jump to a different server. I do hope Wow will implement something like that.

Phoking
09-17-04, 07:38 PM
Yeah freaking EA could have had a hit on its hands if it would have made a true sequel to UO using a 3D engine and with all of its content. One thing about WoW that I like is some of the trade skills in the game that I missed from UO like mining, blacksmithing, and fishing.

My friend and I were gunna try Ultima X: Odyssey but they canceled it :/

The graphics weren't too cartoony but they weren't all plastic either.. It was just right.

Skrot
09-17-04, 08:05 PM
If you want a game by Richard Garriot (or has his involvement at least... not sure which), have a look for Tabula Rasa. It looks like it's gonna be very interesting.

Out of WoW and EQ2: WoW will be my first attempt at becoming addicted.

nrdstrm
09-17-04, 10:35 PM
Almost forgot, another game I'm looking forward to is Vanguard (Sigil Games) (Bunch of unhappy people when at SOE started it, including Brad "EQ and SWG" McQuad). He's promising alot, hopefully he wont fark it up like he did with SWG...
Nrdstrm
Link : http://www.vanguardsoh.com/

Killall
09-18-04, 03:38 PM
WoW:
http://www.blizzard.com/wow/images/screens/all/ss162.jpg

Everquest 2 :
http://everquest2.station.sony.com//screenshots/general/058.jpg

Everquest 2 is the game ill be going for, cant stand those happy happy textures in WoW ever IF the gameplay is better, i rather be walking around in jawdropping graphical enviorments in a Baldur's gate like setting then be playing as a blocky character that doesnt look any better than the Warcraft 3 units from 3 years ago. I saw a movie of WoW where a group of units where attacking a dinosaur.. may look like fun to some of u but i for 1 dont like attacking a dinosaur that looks like its taken out of a childerens book and looks rather qute than dangerous.
Just my 2 cents....

vampireuk
09-18-04, 04:04 PM
I think it's a sad state of affairs if people would chose graphics over gameplay, especially with a game like WOW or EQ :)

Arioch
09-18-04, 04:34 PM
I think it's a sad state of affairs if people would chose graphics over gameplay, especially with a game like WOW or EQ :)

LOL - I guess that pretty much sums up the average modern gamer.

spirited1
09-23-04, 02:30 PM
I'll be trying both. Whichever one suits me the most, I'm gonna stick with.

As to the graphics, it's not top of my list. Quests, battle system, clean UI, lore, guild system, risk vs reward, class balance, solo options, immersion are things which are important. Graphics come way down the list in a mmorpg.

I'd rather play a compelling exciting game that looks like crap than a great looking game that plays like crap.

xdaishanx
09-23-04, 06:09 PM
Regardless of gameplay either way I refuse to play anything that has crap gameplay and crap graphics

And yes in my opinion WoW is sorely dated graphics wise for a 2004 mmorpg

vampireuk
09-23-04, 06:36 PM
So should blizzard make their mmorpg only available to those with insanely fast systems, they are trying to make a good product and make money, not just please a handful of people who have insanely powerful machines.

xdaishanx
09-23-04, 10:53 PM
"So should blizzard make their mmorpg only available to those with insanely fast systems, they are trying to make a good product and make money, not just please a handful of people who have insanely powerful machines."

Actually yeah I prefer that - that way two years from now it won't be through the third engine upgrade on top of older ones - bit cleaner that way


And its not like you cant turn the options down on EQ2 - I'd rather have the option to turn it way up or down not be limited to "ok" graphics

And I have a feeling you will be shocked to see just how many people buy EQ2 - it won't be "limited" at all

Other than graphics not doing it for me check out the WoW boards - have never seen more "733t" speak , immature rants/posts in my life - battlenet crowd is not my thing - to each their own but they are targetting two different crowds - and I for one am glad to have a game that USES the full potential of my high end machine NOW instead of a year from now when I will have already upgraded

Aurthus
09-24-04, 02:59 AM
I'm still playing DaoC and will probably pick up the newest expansion for that when it's released. The biggest downside to WoW would be Blizzards fan base imo. Like Xdaishanx pointed out, most of them are teh uber 1337 Wc players whom never played an mmorpg before. Other then dealing with them in game, the pvp/rvr factor just isn't there imo.

Other then DaoC i may check out MEO (Middle Earth Online). Just hope they open up the orcs as a race and add large scale pvp into it :)

ChrisRay
09-24-04, 04:23 AM
I think it's a sad state of affairs if people would chose graphics over gameplay, especially with a game like WOW or EQ :)


Well I wouldnt discredit Everquest's 2 gameplay yet, Alot of the stuff going into Everquest has kinda been beta tested in EQ 1, (Heh good ole sony for you, throwing around EQ2 ideas into EQ1, I really like the idea of instanced zones and they work extremely well in Everquest 1,

vampireuk
09-24-04, 07:46 AM
Well I wouldnt discredit Everquest's 2 gameplay yet, Alot of the stuff going into Everquest has kinda been beta tested in EQ 1, (Heh good ole sony for you, throwing around EQ2 ideas into EQ1, I really like the idea of instanced zones and they work extremely well in Everquest 1,

Oh I'm not doing, I'm just questioning the logic of a person picking a huge mmorpg game based on graphics and not gameplay. :)