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jAkUp
09-19-04, 02:19 AM
First of all, let me say that I spend about 10 minutes trying to decide if I should place this topic in the "Hardware" or "Games" forum. I finally decided on games since... well... because innie-minnie-minney-moe said so ;)

Ever since about the age of 12, I had always wanted a nice racing wheel. I can remember Nascar '98. When it first came out, that game was awesome. I mostly just drove backwards on the tracks to create chaos.. but even that never got old, I wanted a racing wheel so bad, but, I was 12, and of course, had no money. Now I am able to spend money on things I always wanted as a kid, hence why I payed $550 on a video card. (but thats another story ;))

Anyways, there are a few upcoming racing games that I am interested in. The 3 main ones are Flat-Out, Xpand Rally, NFS Underground 2, and possibly EA's Nascar 2005. But enough blabber, here is the wheel:

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/9603/IMG_116.jpg

and the pedals:

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/7445/IMG_117.jpg

The wheel and pedals are VERY solidly built, and definetely don't feel "cheap." It fits very nice on my desk and doesn't slide off, same goes for the pedals, no slipping or sliding and I have tile floor in my room. Upon plugging it in, I never realized how easy it would be to setup. Not calibration, no bloatware, no tray icons. Very nice.

Of course, what would a wheel be without force-feedback effects, and let me tell you, these are the best feeling force-feedback effects I have ever felt...err.. yeah. But really, the wheel gives feedback depending on whether you are driving on a slope, etc. Feels very realistic in Nascar Thunder 2K4, as well as the now discontinued Nascar Racing series. Driving backwards on the tracks is more satisfying than ever, and even hurts... a little ;)

The shifter, although simple, is also very solidly built. And although a 6 position shifter would be nice, a forward-back style shifter is nice also :)

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/3682/IMG_121.jpg

My conclusion, if you are a racing fan, you must go out and grab the Logitech Momo Racing Wheel! Its relatively cheap for under $100 and really adds to the experience. For once in my life I am actually trying to win races.. rather than, well, drive into other cars head on at 160Mph...

Omega53
09-19-04, 02:35 AM
I own that too :D

MUYA
09-19-04, 02:45 AM
yeah welcome to the MOMO club :) see my sig? ;)

nrdstrm
09-19-04, 03:23 AM
Jakup, I hate you...You have all of this expendable income to purchase $550 video cards and Momo Racing wheels. Well if I worked for a computer store and still lived with my parents, I'd be able to do that stuff too...Wait a minute...I work for the same computer store as you and live with my parents...WTF am I doing with my life?!?!
ROFL...Enjoy the wheel...it looks sweet man...
Nrdstrm

MUYA
09-19-04, 03:24 AM
ah jealousy........the reason why Jakup torments the member here ;)

nVidi0t
09-19-04, 03:50 AM
I have a Microsoft Force Feeback wheel, which kicked ass, and then MS decided to drop support for it after Windows 98... I have no idea why, they released a new version which was exactly the same whch supported XP, and I was stuck with the wheel and I only played 2 or 3 games with it.

Really sucks.

ynnek
09-19-04, 04:10 PM
Tell me how it is after some hours?

Alot of people report the pedals start to wobble, making the pots loose and give inaccurate readings.

Toms hardware did a report:
The other potentiometer for steering is mounted on a flimsy thin plastic mount, just like the lowend $30 model.. People report again, its a matter of time before it goes out too..

It sounds like when new, it works great, but the build quality isn't there for the long haul.

MS's model used an optical potentiometer, which never wears, but what I read, it never felt right..

However, when GTR, and the rForce games come out, I will probably buy one, to replace my broken WingMan Formula GP... since its practically the only FF steering wheel left to buy... unless you go into the ultra high end...

jAkUp
09-20-04, 08:11 PM
The pedals still dont seem to really wobble... but Ive only had it for a few days, still seems as good as new to me...

MUYA
09-20-04, 08:32 PM
I dunno about Tom's but I have had the MOMO for a good 6 months and g amign as well..and I have yet to see any defects..

nVestor
09-20-04, 08:44 PM
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/sims/HARDWARE/screenshots/35.jpg

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/article/155

Now that's a wheel... lol. :D

You may find this site interesting. I play Nascar Racing 2003 Season myself. It is the only Nascar game I read that even Kyle Petty plays because of the realism.

Has a alot of great mods too: Busch Series, Craftsman Truck Series, IROC and others. :)

Anyways, you will dig this site out if you haven't seen it before. They pretty much stay intune with all the latest racing games and mods.

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NR2003/mods

Maybe I will see you on the track. :)

Shamrock
09-20-04, 09:31 PM
I have the MOMO RED version, which is suppose to be the better wheel. It has paddle shifters, instead of the stick shift on the side. But I can tell you when I first tried it, the feedback was so strong (I set at 150%) it jerked out of my hands and hurt my wrist! (I am not a big guy) But this wheel is so good, my teammate in a former series tried it out, and offered his TSW wheel and $50, and I refused :D

Bad_Boy
09-21-04, 05:50 PM
wheres the clutch :bash: (do they even put clutches w/ gaming wheels/pedals?)
lol


other than that, looks pimpin :D

ynnek
09-21-04, 05:58 PM
I don't think an lower end mass produced consumer stuff has a clutch pedal.

Act Labs used to make one.. also a gated shifter too.. but they don't anymore..

There are some high end companies that sell very expensive, but slick pedals and wheels.. With like pressure sensitive brake pedals and fluid damped steering wheels.. using real pedals and steerign wheels.. all metal.. but we're talking about price ranges from like $800 and up.


wheres the clutch :bash: (do they even put clutches w/ gaming wheels/pedals?)
lol


other than that, looks pimpin :D

MUYA
09-21-04, 07:51 PM
I have the MOMO RED version, which is suppose to be the better wheel. It has paddle shifters, instead of the stick shift on the side. But I can tell you when I first tried it, the feedback was so strong (I set at 150%) it jerked out of my hands and hurt my wrist! (I am not a big guy) But this wheel is so good, my teammate in a former series tried it out, and offered his TSW wheel and $50, and I refused :D
The Momo also has paddles :D Thats what i use while running around 300 kph around the F1 circuits in F1 challenge 99-02..even CMr4 :)

FierceDeityLink
09-21-04, 08:47 PM
I wanted to get Logitech's Driving Force Pro (it's made for PS2, but it's USB and works on PC) for $50 from Best Buy, as stated on their website, but they said it was "only for the steering wheel, pedals sold separately" (even though Best Buy doesn't sell the pedals).

Oh well, I'll probably get it whenever GT4 comes out anyway...

Shamrock
09-22-04, 07:39 AM
Here is mine

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005QZVC/104-6217802-3549521?v=glance

The difference with mine and the black one is that it has All steel construction, corrugated pedals, Leather wrapped wheel, high-performance exponentiometers...The red version has geared Expots, not belts, like the black one. Only thing I do like about the black is that it has a side gearshift, something I miss in Nascar :D

JUST 300kph? mang, at Monza, I am pulling 364.8kph on the front straight!

visit here for setups and mods, ESPECIALLY Ralph Hummerich's 2004 carset!
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forum/

MUYA
09-22-04, 07:47 AM
300 kph in a minardi is a great feat lol! :) i meant on average? :p

I got the Hummeriech's 2004 mod...i love his work...! :D but, i get CTD on aus track...which is strange...

ynnek
09-22-04, 11:08 AM
Wait, where did you see this? I couldn't find it on best buy's site..

Cause I would be interested in getting this, and pedals from another make seperately.

I wanted to get Logitech's Driving Force Pro (it's made for PS2, but it's USB and works on PC) for $50 from Best Buy, as stated on their website, but they said it was "only for the steering wheel, pedals sold separately" (even though Best Buy doesn't sell the pedals).

Oh well, I'll probably get it whenever GT4 comes out anyway...

subbo
09-22-04, 11:26 AM
I got the Driving Force Pro to play RBR with on the PS2. It's the best wheel I've tested so far and I've tried the old red momo, MS FF wheels and one thrustmaster.

ynnek
09-22-04, 11:45 AM
Ah you got the higher quality one! I wish I was able to snag one before they were discontinued.. i'm hoping Logitech would get their stuff straight and start making better quality/designed/robust wheels.

It sounds like the Driving Force Pro is a better design than the Momo Force, but its still made out of plastic... and the pedals are of the same old design. from what I hear from peopel that bought them and took em apart to fix.




Here is mine

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005QZVC/104-6217802-3549521?v=glance

The difference with mine and the black one is that it has All steel construction, corrugated pedals, Leather wrapped wheel, high-performance exponentiometers...The red version has geared Expots, not belts, like the black one. Only thing I do like about the black is that it has a side gearshift, something I miss in Nascar :D

JUST 300kph? mang, at Monza, I am pulling 364.8kph on the front straight!

visit here for setups and mods, ESPECIALLY Ralph Hummerich's 2004 carset!
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forum/

s-flow
12-22-04, 01:17 PM
A question for you owners of this wheel.

I got one too and like the feel of it but..
When wheel is centered and I slightly move left-right-left there are
a pretty loud "clunk" sound from the wheel (some play in the center
position).. Is this normal?

I often play with low sound volume and is actually disturbed by this sound.

(xmassign)

Johnny Chimpo
12-22-04, 05:05 PM
Tell me how it is after some hours?

Alot of people report the pedals start to wobble, making the pots loose and give inaccurate readings.

Toms hardware did a report:
The other potentiometer for steering is mounted on a flimsy thin plastic mount, just like the lowend $30 model.. People report again, its a matter of time before it goes out too..

It sounds like when new, it works great, but the build quality isn't there for the long haul.

MS's model used an optical potentiometer, which never wears, but what I read, it never felt right..

However, when GTR, and the rForce games come out, I will probably buy one, to replace my broken WingMan Formula GP... since its practically the only FF steering wheel left to buy... unless you go into the ultra high end...


After about 6 months my pedals started to fade. Its now at the point where I need to unplug and replug the pedals every 15 minutes or so. The calibration will start to drop down to like 50%. There is a patch that might help some http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/beta_main.htm

Requirements:
Logitech® Gaming Software 4.xx successfully installed
Logitech® MOMO® Racing Steering Wheel

Improvements:
Pedals "going out of calibration" issue resolved.
Includes "Logitech® MOMO® Racing Steering Wheel centering fix".
Filter Spikes
Fixed issue with "full left wheel, full brake/accelerator" at random inopportune times

Known Issues:
Under certain circumstances, your wheel may end up leaning to one side rather than being centered. If that happens, just move the wheel all the way left/right and it'll fix itself.

Shamrock
12-23-04, 04:23 AM
this place might help you

http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm

s-flow
12-23-04, 12:15 PM
this place might help you

http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Momo%20how%20to.htm

Looks interesting.. I´ll give it a go.. Thanks! (xmasmile)

s-flow
12-26-04, 09:26 AM
The FF motor was tight already but the sound comes from a play
between the gear-wheels. I can get rid of it by bending the motor forward
but that will cause unnaturale wear so I take the sound as it is for now.