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vvolkman
11-07-02, 08:19 AM
http://www.albatron.com.tw/Support/vga_manu.htm

Ok, there are a host of Asian sites with Ti4800 rumours, does anyone have the reference card specs?

Obviously it would be AGP8X, right, who would release anything but that at this late date

It would be the "A3" GPU rev (it seems at a minimum).
:confused:

thcdru2k
11-07-02, 09:21 AM
its being said its just ti4600 with agp8x.

vvolkman
11-07-02, 10:51 AM
I don't buy Anand's wisdom this time. The 440MXs are being rebranded as variations on the following

"MX440-8X"
http://www.prolink-usa.com/english/product/vdo-mx4408x-128a.html

"MX440-SE"
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=14-127-068

"MX480"
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=14-170-013

I'm just thinking that Ti4800 should have a significantly faster clock, not just be a Ti4600 with AGP8X.

Cotita
11-07-02, 12:19 PM
Considering that the ti4600 can't overclock more than 10% with current yields. I don't expect an increase in clockspeed. On the other hand, nvidia can easily put faster memory chips for increased bandwith.

Anyway since the ti4200 8x can overclock to ti4600 speeds, I really see no reason why to release an 8x ti4600.

Bigus Dickus
11-07-02, 03:51 PM
Ti4800 = Ti4600

Ti4800 SE = Ti4200

LuckyNV
11-07-02, 06:25 PM
I reckon Nvidia should increase the bandwidth of the Ti4600.

tieros
11-07-02, 09:18 PM
If it's just an AGp 8x variant of the existing 4600, I'll be very disappointed.

Now couple 8x with a 350MHz core and DDR (or DDR-II) at around the 225-250 price range, and you'd have a good stopgap card to at least bring in some mid-range holiday dollars.

ricercar
11-10-02, 01:48 AM
I've read on the web that NVIDIA's making AGP8x versions of only the GeForce4 MX (NV18) and Ti4200 (NV28). The Ti4800 is only a Ti4200 at AGP8X.

The good news is that without binning the high-performance 8x parts to separate product lines, this should mean a lot of overclocking potential in the 8x products!

Uttar
11-10-02, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by ricercar
I've read on the web that NVIDIA's making AGP8x versions of only the GeForce4 MX (NV18) and Ti4200 (NV28). The Ti4800 is only a Ti4200 at AGP8X.

The good news is that without binning the high-performance 8x parts to separate product lines, this should mean a lot of overclocking potential in the 8x products!

AFAIK, Ti4200 based on the NV28 core are sold as "Ti4200 with AGP8X" and *not* as Ti4800

On the positive side for the Ti4800, it's likely to have more overclocking potential than the original Ti4600.


Uttar

StealthHawk
11-10-02, 08:22 AM
8x Ti4200 cards are not being sold as Ti4800s. we haven't seen any 4800s, but we have seen 8x 4200s. no, the Ti4800 will be the 8x version of Ti4600, simply because nvidia needs something they can fight ATI with, against the onslaught of the 9500/9700.

ReDeeMeR
11-10-02, 03:22 PM
Ti4800 = Ti4600 with AGP8X

Ti4800 SE = Ti4400 with AGP8X

I think it was officialy comfirmed.

ricercar
11-10-02, 07:18 PM
Where was this confirmation? :confused: It directly contradicts my understanding. The AGP8x Titanium device, NV28, is currently sold as Ti4200-AGP8x by multiple vendors, but no Ti4600-AGP8x.

Asus is using NV28 as Ti4200-AGP8x
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=V9280TD
http://www.srsystems.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=16&products_id=746

MSI is using NV28 as Ti4200-AGP8x
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_list.php?kind=2&CHIP=27&NAME=GeForce%204%20Series
http://www.srsystems.com/product_info.php?products_id=747&PHPSESSID=bd25eb18d30d9683d9946492070b1e8f

The name Ti4800 may appear, but as a Ti4200 AGP8x. I'm doubtful we'll ever see a Ti4600-AGP8x device.

StealthHawk
11-10-02, 09:01 PM
either way, there are no Ti4800s of any variety...yet. we'll just have to wait and see.

i don't think there was any official confirmation from nvidia. but sources said the information came from nvidia.

False Christian
11-11-02, 01:04 PM
It seems to me that nVidia's getting desperate by trying to con us experienced computer users with their AGP 8x bullsh*t. Don't get me wrong. I sold my 128MB retail ATI RADEON 8500 (275/275) so I could get a GeForce4-Ti4400 because it's faster, overclocks way better and has better drivers. I just don't like it when companies try to hoodwink the gullible public with stuff like AGP 8x support when it offers nothing in performance.

StealthHawk
11-11-02, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by False Christian
It seems to me that nVidia's getting desperate by trying to con us experienced computer users with their AGP 8x bullsh*t. Don't get me wrong. I sold my 128MB retail ATI RADEON 8500 (275/275) so I could get a GeForce4-Ti4400 because it's faster, overclocks way better and has better drivers. I just don't like it when companies try to hoodwink the gullible public with stuff like AGP 8x support when it offers nothing in performance.

not at all, what is wrong with updating cards to support 8x AGP. if you believe the rumors the costs will be substantially lower as well.

thcdru2k
11-11-02, 08:26 PM
some people don't even have an agp8x motherboard

SocketAzzWipe
11-11-02, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by tieros
If it's just an AGp 8x variant of the existing 4600, I'll be very disappointed.

Now couple 8x with a 350MHz core and DDR (or DDR-II) at around the 225-250 price range, and you'd have a good stopgap card to at least bring in some mid-range holiday dollars.

Prepare yourself for a big dissapointment then...

SavagePaladin
11-11-02, 11:28 PM
There's no reason NOT to support AGP 8x, they can rework the chip to perform better at the same time (they've done it before? hello gf3ti series?) and it can also support 4x at the same time (hello 9700?)

How are they trying to hoodwink anyone by updating their chipset?
They do a refresh fairly often.

StealthHawk
11-12-02, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by thcdru2k
some people don't even have an agp8x motherboard

you can still run the card at 4x. and if $200 for a Ti4800 is the real price it will be going for, that's not a bad deal at all.

ricercar
11-14-02, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
Ti4800 = Ti4600 with AGP8X
Ti4800 SE = Ti4400 with AGP8X

Today I heard these are valid names for NV28 in the European market only. The US will see only Ti4200-AGP8