NV30 launch *DATE*?

[Philibob]

18th November?

http://www.ukgamer.com/index.php4?single=851

[nutball]

I think that's a typo.

18th November is an NV30 lunch date.

[Spiffster]

Originally posted by nutball
I think that's a typo.

18th November is an NV30 lunch date.

YA.......It's gonna eat the 9700 for lunch ;)

[Raptorman]

It'd be nice if we see it first before we make assumptions.

[Spiffster]

Originally posted by Raptorman
It'd be nice if we see it first before we make assumptions.

Hence the ";) " but I'm gonna assume it is gonna be faster. I cant think of one time where nVidia hasn't out done ATI or vice versa

[Philibob]

Originally posted by Spiffster
Hence the ";) " but I'm gonna assume it is gonna be faster. I cant think of one time where nVidia hasn't out done ATI or vice versa
Well for NVIDIA's sake, it'd have to be faster or have some great feature or ATI might suddenly start doing better (remember they can lower the prices when NV30 is released)

[Philibob]

The news had now been removed.
Could have been wrong or it could it have violated the NDA? ;)

[Spiffster]

Originally posted by Philibob
The news had now been removed.
Could have been wrong or it could it have violated the NDA? ;)

NDA VYYYY OOOOO LAAAtion :D

[jbirney]

Change that to Paper Launch date :)

With parts not showing up till Q1 2003, buying the R9700 Pro for $330 back in Sept was the right move for me.

[DrAkO]

Yeah...

Because what's the price of the NV30 when this cards is available...

Maybe 500$ US ?

If the card have a 256 bits interface it's ok, but if the interface have "only" 128 bits...500$ is a lot of money ! :)

[Uttar]

Originally posted by DrAkO
Yeah...

Because what's the price of the NV30 when this cards is available...

Maybe 500$ US ?

If the card have a 256 bits interface it's ok, but if the interface have "only" 128 bits...500$ is a lot of money ! :)

First, I'd like to insist the official price of the NV30 is $400. This has been confirmed by the Cg contest. There might be a less powerful model at $300, however. But this is only speculation.

And yet another "raw power is everything" opinion... It's likely nVidia will use a huge number of "smart techs" such as a better FSAA to compensate for this. In other words, if ATI ever become a threat with the R350 or something else, they do a refresh with a 256 memory bit bus and win again. Nice, don't you think? :)

I've seen rumors suggesting a MSAA AA algorithm, but nVidia did an excellent job keeping all rumors contradictory. Wanna bet they're all wrong? :)


Uttar

[Richthofen]

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2002/11/08&pages=02&seq=2

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Uttar
First, I'd like to insist the official price of the NV30 is $400. This has been confirmed by the Cg contest. There might be a less powerful model at $300, however. But this is only speculation.

actually no, it doesn't "prove" anything. there was no "official price." NV30 was estimate to be worth $400 in the cg contest, that doesn't mean the price might not go up or down, depending on how well NV30 peforms compared to whatever ATI has out at the time.

[Uttar]

Hmm, you got a point there.
What we do know, however, is that $400 is what nVidia originally planned to sell it for.
So maybe we'd get $449, but I really don't think $499 is possible.


Uttar

[DrAkO]

So you think that the price of the NV30 will be the same of the R9700 ?

That's nice :)

400$ US is 600$ CND, that's the price of Radeon 9700 Pro on Canada

Cool :)

HeHe

[Uttar]

I'm betting on a $399 ( or maybe $449, we'll have to see ) model and a $299 one. It just seems to make sense to make 2 models, one which is pretty much on par with the R300, maybe sometiles a little slower, and one which is faster.


Uttar

[DrAkO]

hum...

You think one with 128 bits memory bus and another with 256 bits memory bus ?

[jbirney]

Keep in mind nV has tried to charge $500 before for a high end video card so they COULD try to do that again.


Personally I dont see the NV30 being that much faster than the 9700. I am sure it will be in some benchies. But nV said in the slides that the nV30 was x2 as fast as the GF4 with AA on. However the R300 is also x2 as fast with AA on in most cases.

[DrAkO]

Yeah, but if he have 2 cards...

an "MX" version and a "TI" version

The MX version have 128 bits bus memory and DDR-II and the TI version have a 256 bits bus memory and DDR-II...

Don't forget, ATI check nVIDIA and NV30 before start the R350 or maybe the R400...

I believe that 128 bits memory bus and DDR-II will not be sufficient and this, even if architecture is different...

[gemini1313]

Originally posted by DrAkO
I believe that 128 bits memory bus and DDR-II will not be sufficient and this, even if architecture is different...

funny u say it won't be sufficient when already the gf4 can play alot of games at 1600x1200 with decent fps.

who cares how wide the bus is, that doesn't make the card. 128bit 500mhz DDR-II would give a gf4 even more fps at 16x12.

add to that the new nv30 architecture, with its high bandwidth saving techniques and a core that is 400mhz+ and faster, and u have a card that at base speeds should be able to run 16x12 smoothly over 60fps, since gf4 can mostly do it.

add to the mix that its supposed to have a better fsaa method, that im sure is faster and an architecture that is much more efficient and highly optimized as compared to r300 with more features to boot.

r300 will never be able to catch nv30 when it comes to running instructions and precision.

after all r300 is just a thrown together card that is barely anything more than an 8500. any company can slap a 256bit (ripped from nvidia) memory controller on a card and slap some trannies on the core for dx9 pipes, however limited those pipes are. nv30 is .13u and a brand new core from the ground up...off the break it will out pace r300 on core speeds. (anyone should be able to see how the r300 is hardly revolutionary or a ground breaking product, what came out first doesn't mean jack...)

bottom line is 128bit is still capable of 32bit rendering at 16x12 especially with a highly optimized memory controller and (1000mhz) memory. oh well some people just cant see what is obvious to others, screw it all wait till comdex.

nv30 will undoubtedly outpace r300 in every aspect.

[DrAkO]

Ok, so, it's false to compare the R9700 and NV30...

So, watch ATI and R350 or R400 to see if the NV30, with the new architecture, can obtain such good performances against a 256 bits and DDR-II memory

So, the true duel will be R350 or R400 against the NV30, if the R350 or R400 available little time after the NV30...

But, i read a lot of NV30 on this forum and i really excited about this card and i think that's my Christmas Gift...If i find a card before December 25.... :D

[thcdru2k]

spam....

yummy.

[Bigus Dickus]

I'm sorry, but there was no way one post could capture the magnitude of my laughter. ;)

[tazdevl]

Methinks gemini is either an nVIDIA employee or a rather ignorant fanboi.

I'm sure that nVIDIA will follow their normal pricing conventions. We're in a prolonged economic downturn, I don't think there are that many folks that are as willing to part with $500 for a card as there were 1 year ago... especially if nVIDIA will be following up with an updated core 6 months down the road.

They got caught with their panties down and its nice to see them dropped down a peg or two.

We'll see how it performs, how much it costs and how much the 9700 is before I make my decision. Must say though, that I'd like to be able to write off my graphics card for this year. If there is truly no NV30 based products in retail before year end, my choice is pretty much set.

I'll be curious to see when products make it into retail, since nVIDIA has been revising that date over the past few months. I've heard the call with Jen Hsun... he's been wrong before. :D

[imtim83]

I am not believeing any of the rumors on the NV30. I am waiting for the offical specs from nvidia. You just can never know for sure.