athlon MP 3000+ barton core

[nick800]

does anyone know when the expected release for it is?

[thcdru2k]

its expected h1 2003.

[NV30 Desirer]

I'm hoping for X-mas, but realistically Late January?

[thcdru2k]

thats a good estimate.

[SavagePaladin]

Their latest roadmap says q4-q1, so yes, it COULD be q1. I can't really say..
On the same note Clawhammer COULD be q2, but I highly doubt that since they were ready to ship at q4.
Plus it was known that their SSE2 license didn't start until next year.

[nick800]

are we still talking about the MP's or has this moved onto XP's? cause I haven't seen anythin for q1 2800+/3000+ mp's...

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by nick800
are we still talking about the MP's or has this moved onto XP's? cause I haven't seen anythin for q1 2800+/3000+ mp's...

well, the Barton MPs probably won't come out until around the same time as the XPs...

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Is this just all paper launches? Cuz AMD has made it an art to paper launch their processors months before they are available in any sort of volume.

[SavagePaladin]

AMD was just at their worst period wrt money in ten years. So if you can blame them for a few paper launches, then raise your right hand and say 'I'm insane'

As a matter of fact, just about everyone is paper launching these days....maybe related, or may be related to that they're trying to do too much with too little. I don't have any idea.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by SavagePaladin
AMD was just at their worst period wrt money in ten years. So if you can blame them for a few paper launches, then raise your right hand and say 'I'm insane'

As a matter of fact, just about everyone is paper launching these days....maybe related, or may be related to that they're trying to do too much with too little. I don't have any idea.

the point being that Intel doesn't seem to be having that problem.

but let's forget about Intel for a second. AMD has launched the 2600/2700/2800+ in the span of 2-3 months ago. at best case even the 2600+ is very sparsely available, at worst none of them are.

there's a difference between paper launching something and then paper launching its successor.

at least you can find the 2700+ on Pricewatch now. but still, it was launched 2 months ago. at the time of the 2700/2800+ launch, the 2600+ still wasn't on pricewatch.

[SavagePaladin]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
the point being that Intel doesn't seem to be having that problem.

but let's forget about Intel for a second. AMD has launched the 2600/2700/2800+ in the span of 2-3 months ago. at best case even the 2600+ is very sparsely available, at worst none of them are.

there's a difference between paper launching something and then paper launching its successor.

at least you can find the 2700+ on Pricewatch now. but still, it was launched 2 months ago. at the time of the 2700/2800+ launch, the 2600+ still wasn't on pricewatch.
I blame the money thing. At any rate, it really doesn't matter to me. I use AMD as before, because I can get the decent stuff much cheaper. Need to upgrade my AthXP 1800+ someday, and I can do it for under $125 to a 2200+, so I'll do it. When I have cash.

[Nutty]

is there much point going from an 1800 to a 2200?

I'm still on an athlon 1ghz.. Hoping to get a barton xp 3000+ or something. Now thats what I call a performance jump! :)

[SavagePaladin]

Yes. A 266mnhz jump. Which will help out in UT2003 and Unreal 2 and Doom 3 and NOLF 2 and whatever else new or coming that I plan on playing before upgrading again

....sheesh

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by SavagePaladin
AMD was just at their worst period wrt money in ten years. So if you can blame them for a few paper launches, then raise your right hand and say 'I'm insane'

As a matter of fact, just about everyone is paper launching these days....maybe related, or may be related to that they're trying to do too much with too little. I don't have any idea.

Intel doesn't paper launch, in fact, they are doing so well that they are able to bring in products earlier than expected. ;)

[SavagePaladin]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Intel doesn't paper launch, in fact, they are doing so well that they are able to bring in products earlier than expected. ;)
Maybe not right now but they have...
I'm relatively sure on that, I don't pay a lot of attention to them but those that do say such.

[nick800]

hehe well I can't worry about that either way, the dual xeons are just waaaaay to expensive even if they are out on time. I'm hoping the dual MP 3000+'s or the clawhammers are out in time for summer 2003 because thats when I'll start using alot more physics and processor heavy animation and rendering... I just hope they don't come out and price em even higher than expected because of a worsening financial situation.

[Nutty]

NOLF2 and the unreal2k3 demo ran fine on my humble 1ghz.. And I'm still on SDRAM! ;)

I can't imagine a couple of hundred megahertz is gonna make much difference to already very playable frame-rates, which you must surely have given the speed difference you have over mine.

Pointless buying a chip for doom3 now. It wont be out for months. Chances are the barton chip will be out by then.

Its your money tho. :) Just seems like spending for spendings sake to me.

Theres no way I'd spend money just for 200 Mhz increase. Why not just overclock it to that?

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by SavagePaladin
Maybe not right now but they have...
I'm relatively sure on that, I don't pay a lot of attention to them but those that do say such.

the last time they paper launched was the 1GHz P3. and of course the 1.13GHz P3, which was later recalled, so it didn't really matter that retail channels didn't have any.

i'm reasonably sure that Intel hasn't paper launched any P4s, at least not to the extent that we're seeing now.

do i blame AMD for proceeding this way? no. as i mentioned above, Intel made the same desparation moves when they were the ones behind.

[SavagePaladin]

Originally posted by Nutty
NOLF2 and the unreal2k3 demo ran fine on my humble 1ghz.. And I'm still on SDRAM! ;)

I can't imagine a couple of hundred megahertz is gonna make much difference to already very playable frame-rates, which you must surely have given the speed difference you have over mine.

Pointless buying a chip for doom3 now. It wont be out for months. Chances are the barton chip will be out by then.

Its your money tho. :) Just seems like spending for spendings sake to me.

Theres no way I'd spend money just for 200 Mhz increase. Why not just overclock it to that?
e I don't overclock.
d. well, see my other points
c. Neither will Unreal 2 or many other games I plan on playing, but I'm also buying it for now.
b. I like pushing things to their limits, which is where extra speed always helps. I should probably get a gf4ti4200 or something on the other hand...eventually :P
a. I max out graphics options, as I said, so extra speed always helps.

Any upgrade ~$100 is doable in my book, and that isn't as bad an upgrade as you seem to think.
That's my backwards answer.

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by Nutty
NOLF2 and the unreal2k3 demo ran fine on my humble 1ghz.. And I'm still on SDRAM! ;)

I can't imagine a couple of hundred megahertz is gonna make much difference to already very playable frame-rates, which you must surely have given the speed difference you have over mine.

Pointless buying a chip for doom3 now. It wont be out for months. Chances are the barton chip will be out by then.

Its your money tho. :) Just seems like spending for spendings sake to me.

Theres no way I'd spend money just for 200 Mhz increase. Why not just overclock it to that?


Well if you can play decent frame-rates @ 1ghz, 266mhz is more then 25% of your power and plus it's an XP cpu = more efficient etc so adding that more power will sure help :)

[PoGGeh]

You can get 2700+ in engerland now. so i dont see how that was a paper launch. AMD didnt say that the 2600 were gonna be 333FSB but they are, so i reckon they are doing ok. I expect the 2800XP before Christmas. and as the latest reviews show "in games" its on a par (if not beating) the new 3.06 Ghz HT.

AMD are doing good work IMO.

BTW Aria (http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Submit=Search&Category=9) has them in, albeit not in great quantities do to the price.

[Nutty]

I'm not arguing 200 Mhz on top of what _I_ have would be nice. But percentage wise on top of what Savage has, its alot less compared to me.

If you scale it up, and had a 20Ghz cpu. Would you bother paying money for 20.2 Ghz? I wouldn't.

Like I said it's his money.. but I'd rather save up, and go for a bigger performance jump. I'm not considering getting anything less than a 2600, from where I am now.

[SavagePaladin]

That doesn't make sense. I'm getting about a 17 percent jump, they're getting NONE.

Try the numbers. 17% boost isn't too shabby.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by PoGGeh
You can get 2700+ in engerland now. so i dont see how that was a paper launch. AMD didnt say that the 2600 were gonna be 333FSB but they are, so i reckon they are doing ok. I expect the 2800XP before Christmas. and as the latest reviews show "in games" its on a par (if not beating) the new 3.06 Ghz HT.


they were launched almost 2 months ago. if they are only showing up now that is pretty bad in my book. add to that that there are still no 2800+, even in OEM systems, which were launched at the same time.

the 2600+s are 333FSB? i didn't know that. that's good to hear, i guess.

it's too bad if the 2800+ beats Intel, since you can't buy it. and all sources point to it being available at retail in January. of course Intel will have something faster then, too.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Nutty
I'm not arguing 200 Mhz on top of what _I_ have would be nice. But percentage wise on top of what Savage has, its alot less compared to me.

If you scale it up, and had a 20Ghz cpu. Would you bother paying money for 20.2 Ghz? I wouldn't.
that example is only a 10% increase. his situation was closer to 20%.

1800+ is i think 1.5GHz. Savage said that the 2200+ is 266MHz higher, which puts it at 1.76GHz.

2200+ is ~$150, so it's not that bad. of course it's not that good either :p an nforce2 with some 333FSB AthlonXP would offer a great deal of extra performance.