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Riptide
10-13-04, 01:38 PM
Does anyone know anything about this? A friend of mine claims that they have passed a bill requiring all citizens to eventually have a national ID card that contains a RFID chip which will monitor when you go to work, what you buy at the store (and which store), etc..
saturnotaku
10-13-04, 01:39 PM
In the words of Buffalo Springfield, "Paranoia strikes deep..."
Bust out the foil hats and put coat hangers on your ceiling 'cause the gobinmint is comin' ta git 'ya!
DiscipleDOC
10-13-04, 01:40 PM
Does anyone know anything about this? A friend of mine claims that they have passed a bill requiring all citizens to eventually have a national ID card that contains a RFID chip which will monitor when you go to work, what you buy at the store (and which store), etc..
Urban Legend, my friend. People have been talking about this for years.
majortom
10-13-04, 01:41 PM
the government is trying to control us man! they're using microwaves to read our minds....wha? who are you? let go of me...help, they've got me!.....asdkfj;lsad.....................
Riptide
10-13-04, 01:50 PM
He claims an actual bill has already been passed. I've found this site here, but haven't had time yet to research it:
http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/
Bush has shown interest in these national ID cards, though I haven't had time to read about whether or not he wants them to contain RFID tags.
http://www.drudgereport.com/id.htm
DiscipleDOC
10-13-04, 01:55 PM
He claims an actual bill has already been passed. I've found this site here, but haven't had time yet to research it:
http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/
Bush has shown interest in these national ID cards, though I haven't had time to read about whether or not he wants them to contain RFID tags.
http://www.drudgereport.com/id.htm
Rip, that's a bunch of crock. That would be big news all over if that was the case. Not only that, there's alot of people in Congress that's against this bill (so I've heard about a year or so ago). It sounds to me that people are using another scare tactic.......
intercede007
10-13-04, 01:58 PM
*Shrugs*
If you have a passport (raises hand) you have a federal ID card.
DiscipleDOC
10-13-04, 02:00 PM
*Shrugs*
If you have a passport (raises hand) you have a federal ID card.
/me raises hand also.
Riptide
10-13-04, 02:22 PM
To me, a national ID card is a waste of time since we already have plenty of different ID cards/forms in use already.
The RFID aspect to it is the only thing I find to be a little offensive. I don't think the government needs to have tracking information on someone like me who has never been convicted of a crime.
I'll ask my friend if he can give me more information on which bill this was and then I can go research it on my own.
Rob_0126
10-13-04, 05:12 PM
To me, a national ID card is a waste of time since we already have plenty of different ID cards/forms in use already.
The RFID aspect to it is the only thing I find to be a little offensive. I don't think the government needs to have tracking information on someone like me who has never been convicted of a crime.
I'll ask my friend if he can give me more information on which bill this was and then I can go research it on my own.
If this were true, then a whole lot of us would be in jail for not carrying these things. Government doesn't need to know what Im doing 24/7 when I haven't done anything wrong.
Does anyone know anything about this? A friend of mine claims that they have passed a bill requiring all citizens to eventually have a national ID card that contains a RFID chip which will monitor when you go to work, what you buy at the store (and which store), etc..
Yeah its called your social security number. Actually I would be for a card like that where everything could go into one ID. Passport, social basically everything but your credit card.
Riptide
10-13-04, 05:34 PM
S.I.N., I agree that it might be nice to have one single ID instead of many. There are downsides, to be sure. What I find disturbing is my friend's contention that they are going to insert RFID tags into these national ID cards and track your location and even your spending habits.
NightFire
10-13-04, 05:36 PM
That would be disturbing, but its nothing that a well trained PI couldn't do already.
Wait, who's at the door...let me go check.
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NightFire
10-13-04, 05:39 PM
I apologize for my last post. There is nothing wrong. It was all a joke. No one kidnapped NightFire and then started typing in his place. Do not worry, there is nothing to see here.
Again, I repeat, NOONE kidnapped Nightfire, like and FBI Agent, or top secret spy cells...
Hold on...
Bob...yeah...we'll he's unconcious...
Look, just call off the assault. We've gotten all our information we need from here.
Huh? Hold on, what did you say?
He's got a Speech Recognition software? My words are on the compu-holy ****! Jeez, I've got to delete some of this...no, don't press that but
*Shrugs*
If you have a passport (raises hand) you have a federal ID card.
what about a driver's license?
post 9/11 the rules and regulations in some places are stricter when it comes to acquiring a drivers license...
not all american's have passports... same with licenses... an NID might be an interesting idea but will have to wait and see concerning the provisions...
Riptide
10-13-04, 07:28 PM
My friend pointed me to this article. Apparently they are going to use "facial biometrics" and implant a chip into driver's licenses with that data.
http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/fears_of_nationid.htm
I know it's infowars but please attack the content, not the source if you have a problem with this.
Still, I don't see anything in there about tracking where you are at any given time though I can see that it has that potential (for the govt. to track your whereabouts at all times).
But among the little-known provisions of the "9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act" are new requirements for state driver's licenses that have very little to do with driving, say critics.
According to the legislation, within three years of its enactment, no federal agency may accept for any official purpose a driver's license or identification card issued by a state that does not require applicants to provide Social Security number and "facial imaging capture."
Son Goku
10-13-04, 07:30 PM
A single form of ID would have some downsides, among them if the ID gets lost...
Currently, when for instance getting a driver's liscence, I seem to remember other forms of ID were required, and had to be presented. If one has only one ID, the possible effect this might have on identity theft? With the convenience, could also come a price.
As to biometrics, eh...I'm not ready to jump ahead with that. I'd rather keep the various forms of ID (aka the status quo we have now)...
The RFID chip would be troubling, if true. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want people to know where I am at all times anyhow, let along be able to find me. It can already be tougher sometimes to "get away", when one needs a break from their daily routine and doesn't want to be contacted. There are times when people need their privacy as well as a little seclusion. Reason peeps go on camping trips, vacations, etc... This isn't even big brother I'm talking about here (which could make it worse), but the "yes we're pals, but every once and awhile I need a little alone time to relax, unwind, whatever" :D Being under constant observation would take away from that (at least the sence of it), where peeps might need to just get away for awhile.
A single form of ID would have some downsides, among them if the ID gets lost...
Currently, when for instance getting a driver's liscence, I seem to remember other forms of ID were required, and had to be presented. If one has only one ID, the possible effect this might have on identity theft? With the convenience, could also come a price.
Of course it should also have your picture and finger print. The thing is if something like this was ever to come to be, the security features would have to be unprecedented and a advancement over technology out now. Meaning near impossible to dublicate and something you can print out on your home pc and put together with plastic and glue. Like some metal or fiver unabable to be made without some type of machine exclusive to the goverment.
And I laugh at those that dont think the goverment already knows or can find out who they slugged in the third grade. Crap my brother showed me some site that had satellite pictures of where we live. :retard:
Riptide
10-13-04, 09:34 PM
I believe the fear is that this technology (GPS tracking via implants) makes it all that much easier for them to find out where you were on any given date. They punch it up in a computer and have the answer two minutes later versus hiring a detective and waiting a week for the information.
Just what the hell is biometrics anyway? Isn't a picture on the license good enough? Why would they need anything else?
biometrics IIRC == finger print...
all fingerprints are taken via a type of digital photography now in america... v/s ink and paper before... more accurate, more easily accesible...
along with photographs it does help identify someone better... if need be for more detail...
Son Goku
10-13-04, 10:34 PM
Personally, I'm opposed to finger printing everyone...and would not willingly cooperate to having my fingerprints taken as well, Nuff said... And just think, it used to be crimminals, and those applying for federal jobs (such as working at the FBI) that got finger printed...
Biometrics could include various things, finger prints, a voice print, retinal scans, mapping one's DNA (if they had a means for a DNA scanner) etc.
And yes, there are means for people to be snooped upon already. This doesn't mean that it should be made all this much easier, and without over-site by court order or other means when people are being investigated as such.
One final note about this article Rip mentioned however. There is not necessarily substance to this. When I was in Montanna in 1993, I had some conversations with people I suspect are now part of the Patriot Network (malitia, which btw Terry Nicholes and Timothy McVeigh were connected too). They went on about how money was implanted to allow people to track them through the dollar bills they use. I don't think that was most credible then...and as to electronic implants in our money, there would also be issues (if it were true) about it going through the washer/dryer and other such wear and tear which wouldn't be good for electronic chips.
This suggestion is likely along the same lines.
Well my national ID card here in France has my pic on it, and I am told that all new ID cards also have your finger print, I dont have to have mine renewed until 2010. There is no chip or anything, its just like a drivers licence, and Ive been checked on the street for an ID check 0 times since having my card in 2000.
The people that are worried about being tracked, I really hope that you dont have a mobile phone, as they have satalite chips in them, and this is world wide!
SquireSCA
10-14-04, 07:54 AM
Does anyone know anything about this? A friend of mine claims that they have passed a bill requiring all citizens to eventually have a national ID card that contains a RFID chip which will monitor when you go to work, what you buy at the store (and which store), etc..
Most states already offer ID cards for those people that do not have driver's licenses. ALl this Bill is, is to make it a consistant national system.
It does not track you, it just cuts down on redundancy and issues between the states. If you are in this country legally, you would have the card. If not, then chances are you should not be here.
I can see why there are some concerns with this Bill, but I don't think it is a big issue. We already have things like SS cards, Driver's licenses, passports, etc...
Rakeesh
10-14-04, 09:12 AM
If they do have a national ID card, it ought to be a smart card. You can add all kinds of arcane protections to information contained on those, not to mention numerous ways of preventing duplication and unauthorized use. I have seen a few aspects of different smart card systems that have existed for about a decade without ever being hacked. Add a biometric security to verify that you are the owner of the card (as opposed to a pin number) and you'd be all set.
Rob_0126
10-14-04, 05:12 PM
If it adds to convienence with minimal privacy issues.....then MAYBE I would think about it.
Tracking my every movement; it just doesn't sit right with me.
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