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GlowStick
10-14-04, 08:45 PM
Hi,

I am definatly haveing a PSU problem, my fans speeds are fluxing at weird times.

However, I dont want a Quality 500w, im looking for a HIGH Quality 600w+ or as much as i can get?

Im looking at the Enermax 'Gold Brick' however it seems a bit old, can anyone recomend a newer PSU that is high quality and has a lot of wattage.

Riptide
10-14-04, 09:02 PM
Holy 600W? Better put a big capacitor inline with your computer or you might start dimming the streetlights. :p

camelot
10-14-04, 09:04 PM
buy a PC Power and Cooling 510 deluxe. I have one, its the best PSU you can buy for a desktop, bar none. They cost around $200 - try 3dcool.com for good prices. Oh, they are bringing out a 750w and an 850w one later this year for SLI desktops. Cost, $300 - $400.

Riptide
10-14-04, 09:05 PM
Seconded. See sig. :)

Ninjaman09
10-14-04, 09:43 PM
OCZ Powerstream 520 is also a good choice. A little less costly than a PCP&C but just as good, with some nice features.

-=DVS=-
10-14-04, 10:20 PM
If you want real PSU gotta go with

Either Enermax 660 W ( 4 rail PSU )
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-438&depa=0

Or ZIPPY/EMACS 700W ( But its a bit longer then Enermax might need Full Tower or Server case )
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-714&depa=0

:drooling:

I realy like Ultra PSU they look good and have X-Connectors , but kinda weak spec http://www.ultraproducts.com/index.php?cPath=38&osCsid=76775cfad7ff8468e2bee0b6a9974557

GlowStick
10-14-04, 10:35 PM
If you want real PSU gotta go with

Either Enermax 660 W ( 4 rail PSU )
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-438&depa=0

Or ZIPPY/EMACS 700W ( But its a bit longer then Enermax might need Full Tower or Server case )
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-714&depa=0

:drooling:

I realy like Ultra PSU they look good and have X-Connectors , but kinda weak spec http://www.ultraproducts.com/index.php?cPath=38&osCsid=76775cfad7ff8468e2bee0b6a9974557
Hm im seriously looking into that enermax, and i do have a very big case so im not worried about size. I wish Matty was still selling his review sample why didnt i jump on it when i had the chance?
:bash:

Ninjaman09
10-14-04, 10:47 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what do you need a 660 watt power supply for? There's absolutely nothing that will fit in a desktop case that can bring down a high-quality 5x0-watt PSU. PC Power & Cooling's supply is the absolute best supply you can buy for a computer, hands down. The OCZ Powerstream 520 is about on the same level, with a few extra features that are pretty nice to have. Both these supplies are actually more expensive than the Enermax one you're talking about. Seriously, consider an extremely high-quality supply instead of a medium-quality supply with a high wattage rating (which are usually very misleading anyway, the PC Power & Cooling AND the OCZ Powerstream are both capable of providing 650+ watts if they were rated the same way Enermax rates their supplies).

-=DVS=-
10-14-04, 11:20 PM
Actualy you overrate PC Power & Cooling PSU by a foot :rolleyes: they are nothing special , and only got one rail , Enermax are high quality PSU also, and have from 2 to 4 rails of power ( more A on 12v line ) , wattage is wattage if one got more it is more , you can't say P&C PSUs 500W equals Enermax 650W :retard: we are not compareing Intel to AMD here , both are high rated companys.
Don't be a fan boy , unleas you got some prof that PC Power & Cooling PSU are made by GOD or something :D

GlowStick
10-14-04, 11:25 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what do you need a 660 watt power supply for? There's absolutely nothing that will fit in a desktop case that can bring down a high-quality 5x0-watt PSU. PC Power & Cooling's supply is the absolute best supply you can buy for a computer, hands down. The OCZ Powerstream 520 is about on the same level, with a few extra features that are pretty nice to have. Both these supplies are actually more expensive than the Enermax one you're talking about. Seriously, consider an extremely high-quality supply instead of a medium-quality supply with a high wattage rating (which are usually very misleading anyway, the PC Power & Cooling AND the OCZ Powerstream are both capable of providing 650+ watts if they were rated the same way Enermax rates their supplies).
Well, one big drain on my psu is my water pump witch runs of the 12v rail.

However i get HUGE 12v rail flux's, i hope a very very strong one will solve that problem, witch all the reviews of the 660w envermax seem to be rock steady.

However the 660w is very diffrent than the rest, it has 4 Rails 3 of them are 12v! OCZ and PC Power and Cooling are very very nice, however they dont have as strong of 12v rails.

camelot
10-15-04, 08:22 AM
Actualy you overrate PC Power & Cooling PSU by a foot :rolleyes: they are nothing special , and only got one rail , Enermax are high quality PSU also, and have from 2 to 4 rails of power ( more A on 12v line ) , wattage is wattage if one got more it is more , you can't say P&C PSUs 500W equals Enermax 650W :retard: we are not compareing Intel to AMD here , both are high rated companys.
Don't be a fan boy , unleas you got some prof that PC Power & Cooling PSU are made by GOD or something :D

you sir, need to check your facts. :tool: PCP&C rate their watts at WORKING TEMP, not @ 20c like a lot of other PSU makers do. If they rated their 510 the same as everyone else, it would be a 650w. How many rails the 12v has is irrelevant. PCP has 34A on the 12v, 38A peak. It also maintains those outputs to 1%. They also have a 5 year warranty. If you like to check on ANY reputable tech forum and ask the experts, all of them will tell you PCP&C make the BEST PSUs.

Ninjaman09
10-15-04, 08:45 AM
Actualy you overrate PC Power & Cooling PSU by a foot :rolleyes: they are nothing special , and only got one rail , Enermax are high quality PSU also, and have from 2 to 4 rails of power ( more A on 12v line ) , wattage is wattage if one got more it is more , you can't say P&C PSUs 500W equals Enermax 650W :retard: we are not compareing Intel to AMD here , both are high rated companys.
Don't be a fan boy , unleas you got some prof that PC Power & Cooling PSU are made by GOD or something :D

Look, I'm happy you're enjoying your Enermax supply, but you're going to have to face facts - it's not as good as a PC Power & Cooling supply. But camelot already explained it well, so:

you sir, need to check your facts. PCP&C rate their watts at WORKING TEMP, not @ 20c like a lot of other PSU makers do. If they rated their 510 the same as everyone else, it would be a 650w. How many rails the 12v has is irrelevant. PCP has 34A on the 12v, 38A peak. It also maintains those outputs to 1%. They also have a 5 year warranty. If you like to check on ANY reputable tech forum and ask the experts, all of them will tell you PCP&C make the BEST PSUs.
He said it best anyway. Check the sticker on the back of your supply. The output ratings on the 12v rails on that supply are nothing to be excited about (ranging from 14A-16A). The OCZ 520 12v is rated at 33A, and all the rails are adjustable. I don't see how I'm being a "fan boy" by advising someone to make an informed buying decision...in fact, it seems to me like the only "fan boy" here is you. Though how anyone can be a PSU fanboy is beyond me.

Riptide
10-15-04, 09:43 AM
I have my power supply in my sig. Does that make me a fanboy? :p

-=DVS=-
10-15-04, 01:26 PM
Look, I'm happy you're enjoying your Enermax supply, but you're going to have to face facts - it's not as good as a PC Power & Cooling supply. But camelot already explained it well, so:


He said it best anyway. Check the sticker on the back of your supply. The output ratings on the 12v rails on that supply are nothing to be excited about (ranging from 14A-16A). The OCZ 520 12v is rated at 33A, and all the rails are adjustable. I don't see how I'm being a "fan boy" by advising someone to make an informed buying decision...in fact, it seems to me like the only "fan boy" here is you. Though how anyone can be a PSU fanboy is beyond me.

Whatever not gonna waist time argueing , if all the BS you said it must be true then PCP&C must own . ( Although would be nice to read something on paper other then forum opinion , Power n Cool site spec look simple enough ), just to correct Ninjaman09 those 3 rails total up to 51A on 12v line PCP&C Peak is only 38A. Single rail =/= 3 separate ones.

bkswaney
10-15-04, 02:01 PM
Here is all you need and will ever need. :)

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384718009&skuId=5375453&productCategoryId=cat01073&type=product

159 bucks and free shipping.

Ninjaman09
10-15-04, 02:59 PM
just to correct Ninjaman09 those 3 rails total up to 51A on 12v line PCP&C Peak is only 38A. Single rail =/= 3 separate ones.

And I said:
The output ratings on the 12v rails<- on that supply are nothing to be excited about (ranging from 14A-16A).

Appending a noun with an "s" pluralizes it, or denotes that there is more than one, in the English language. Maybe brush up on your reading skills sometime there, hotshot.

This is right in line with your 51A comment. Which, as I said, is misleading - if one of the components on one of the rails needed more power and the rail couldn't handle it, it wouldn't be as good as one solid 12v rail, would it?

if all the BS you said it must be true then PCP&C must own
Wasn't just me that said it -
Extreme Overclocking Review (http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/PCPC_510_Deluxe_1.html)
PC Stats Review (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1399)
Big Bruin Review (http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/products/reviews/big_bruin/)
Overclockers Club Review (http://www.overclockersclub.com/?read=8635018)
Fast Lane Hardware Review (http://www.fastlanehw.com/reviews.php?i=66)
Envy News Review (http://www.envynews.com/index.php?ID=552)
ExtremeMhz Review (http://www.extrememhz.com/tcool510-p1.shtml)
You'll notice that many of these reviews confirm 650w peak power, which is how Enermax rated their 660w.

I'd advise you to do a search in some informed tech forums as well, if you feel like it. You'll notice as well that I don't have a PC Power & Cooling supply, because I don't need one. Once again, I felt I should advise Glowstick against buying a completely unnecessary power supply - the supplies he was talking about are for workstations and servers with tons of hard drives and lots of other extremely demanding hardware, certainly not for a gaming PC, no matter how overclocked or pimped-out.

Sorry you feel the need to defend your $250 purchase, but making personal attacks against me isn't going to change the fact that you wasted your money.

jAkUp
10-15-04, 03:14 PM
I had an Enermax 600W Noisetaker with dual 12v rails. Now I have a PCPower and Cooling 510 Deluxe which peaks out at 650w. This thing whips the pants off my Enermax. Totally stable, I have less power problems with my Enermax, and its sleek as hell. This is the best power supply I have ever used. My rails flucuate pretty badly on the Enermax. I almost want to say that Enermax powersupply's used to be better.

They rate their power on its normal operating use, other manufacturers show their "ideal or peak" conditions. Truth is, an Enermax 600w usually runs at about 410w's. PC Power and Cooling usually runs at 510w, but peaks at 650w.

bkswaney
10-15-04, 03:34 PM
I had an Enermax 600W Noisetaker with dual 12v rails. Now I have a PCPower and Cooling 510 Deluxe which peaks out at 650w. This thing whips the pants off my Enermax. Totally stable, I have less power problems with my Enermax, and its sleek as hell. This is the best power supply I have ever used. My rails flucuate pretty badly on the Enermax. I almost want to say that Enermax powersupply's used to be better.

They rate their power on its normal operating use, other manufacturers show their "ideal or peak" conditions. Truth is, an Enermax 600w usually runs at about 410w's. PC Power and Cooling usually runs at 510w, but peaks at 650w.


I think I need to move up to this kind of PSU
for my setup.
But boy 220.00 bucks is HIGH. :(

bkswaney
10-15-04, 03:44 PM
JakUp I'm not sure what to order.

Do I need the deluxe or express or what?

I am upgrading to the new P4 775 soon.

Don't I need the 20/24 and 6 pin?

http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/products/power_supplies/highperformance/turbocools/510/index.htm

Also who has them the cheapest?

-=DVS=-
10-15-04, 04:43 PM
And I said:


Appending a noun with an "s" pluralizes it, or denotes that there is more than one, in the English language. Maybe brush up on your reading skills sometime there, hotshot.

This is right in line with your 51A comment. Which, as I said, is misleading - if one of the components on one of the rails needed more power and the rail couldn't handle it, it wouldn't be as good as one solid 12v rail, would it?


Wasn't just me that said it -
Extreme Overclocking Review (http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/PCPC_510_Deluxe_1.html)
PC Stats Review (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1399)
Big Bruin Review (http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/products/reviews/big_bruin/)
Overclockers Club Review (http://www.overclockersclub.com/?read=8635018)
Fast Lane Hardware Review (http://www.fastlanehw.com/reviews.php?i=66)
Envy News Review (http://www.envynews.com/index.php?ID=552)
ExtremeMhz Review (http://www.extrememhz.com/tcool510-p1.shtml)
You'll notice that many of these reviews confirm 650w peak power, which is how Enermax rated their 660w.

I'd advise you to do a search in some informed tech forums as well, if you feel like it. You'll notice as well that I don't have a PC Power & Cooling supply, because I don't need one. Once again, I felt I should advise Glowstick against buying a completely unnecessary power supply - the supplies he was talking about are for workstations and servers with tons of hard drives and lots of other extremely demanding hardware, certainly not for a gaming PC, no matter how overclocked or pimped-out.

Sorry you feel the need to defend your $250 purchase, but making personal attacks against me isn't going to change the fact that you wasted your money.

First of all pointing out that someone dosn't speak English natively is lowest form of forum flame :lame:


You still fail to prove that Enermax sucks somehow , and your comments about lines , now unleas your an Engineer you have no way of knowing what would be better 3 separate lines or single , for what we know that one power hungry component might destabilize rest of hardware becouse all components would be on one line .

As for reviews , yes they all good , but none of them actualy compare to this 660W PSU do they ? its a bit harder to find reviews for it as it seems its Server aimed PSU with connectors regular ATX Mobos don't have http://www.envynews.com/index.php?ID=505&page=4
one of your pages had perfectly good review for it :rolleyes:

And if we go to basics you claim 650W max for PCP&C but Enermax still would top it by 10W no ?

SlyBoots
10-15-04, 04:59 PM
just some ps trivia> the PCP&C Turbo Cool 400 was made by Zippy, and the Turbo Cool 350 by FSP [Fortron/Sparkle]... :angel2:

Ninjaman09
10-15-04, 06:08 PM
You still fail to prove that Enermax sucks somehow , and your comments about lines , now unleas your an Engineer you have no way of knowing what would be better 3 separate lines or single , for what we know that one power hungry component might destabilize rest of hardware becouse all components would be on one line .
I guess the same would apply to you, right? I mean, are YOU an engineer? And for the record, I NEVER said Enermax PSUs suck. Glowstick said he wanted the best power supply he could buy, and for all intents and purposes, PC Power & Cooling makes the best desktop power supply you can buy.

? its a bit harder to find reviews for it as it seems its Server aimed PSU with connectors regular ATX Mobos don't have
Good point. Tell us again why we need this 660w, $250 beast of a supply when it's aimed at a system none of us even have, or would want? There's a reason it's hard to find reviews for it - because no one wants one.

And if we go to basics you claim 650W max for PCP&C but Enermax still would top it by 10W no ?
Peak power, yes. But no PSU operates at peak power under load conditions, I.E., playing video games. Your Enermax is not designed to handle heavy power demands from one or two system parts (CPU & GPU, for example). It's designed to spread out the lighter demands of many parts across several rails. You can't argue that a server PSU with "connectors ATX mobos don't have" would be better than spending a little less and getting a higher quality product for use in a desktop gaming system.

As for the crack about your reading, sorry about that - it was presumptuous of me to assume you spoke English natively. If you don't, then you should pat yourself on the back - you write English better than most native speakers.

jAkUp
10-15-04, 06:30 PM
JakUp I'm not sure what to order.

Do I need the deluxe or express or what?

I am upgrading to the new P4 775 soon.

Don't I need the 20/24 and 6 pin?

http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/products/power_supplies/highperformance/turbocools/510/index.htm

Also who has them the cheapest?

This is the one you need:
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/psu-105.html
It has the 24pin plug required for the Socket 775 motherboards, it also has the PCI Express plug native on the power supply.


Enermax powersupplys are good, no doubt about that. Especially for the money. You can find a 420w noisetaker for like $70. But A PC Power and cooling is just a better all around PSU. Costs alot more though :)

bkswaney
10-15-04, 09:42 PM
This is the one you need:
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/psu-105.html
It has the 24pin plug required for the Socket 775 motherboards, it also has the PCI Express plug native on the power supply.


Enermax powersupplys are good, no doubt about that. Especially for the money. You can find a 420w noisetaker for like $70. But A PC Power and cooling is just a better all around PSU. Costs alot more though :)


Thanks for the reply. :)

But the 24 will not work with the mobo I have now. Right?

-=DVS=-
10-16-04, 01:53 AM
Yeah Ninjaman09 i suppose your right , its definetly better for desktop PC , nicer cables and less clutter.

-=End of Flame War=- :D