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sirplayalot
10-15-04, 11:39 PM
I was thinking of getting This LCD (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7976&Sku=B145-1714) to go with my 6800GT..does anyone know if its a good one for gaming?? It has 16ms response time so thats a good sign :D.

Omega53
10-15-04, 11:46 PM
Doesnt look bad, specs look good. 16ms is great. Id buy it.

nVidiaGuru
10-15-04, 11:49 PM
the specs are nice on that one.

I personally like the samsungs. This is the top dog 17" imo http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=24-001-146&ATT=Monitors+LCD+Flat+Pa&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

sirplayalot
10-15-04, 11:54 PM
the specs are nice on that one.

I personally like the samsungs. This is the top dog 17" imo http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=24-001-146&ATT=Monitors+LCD+Flat+Pa&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

$459.00 :retard:

sirplayalot
10-16-04, 12:00 AM
LOL Yea, there is that. I wouldn't have paid for this thing, but luckily I didn't. :retard:

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MUYA
10-16-04, 12:01 AM
I use a 17" Phillips LCD with my ultra with no probs ;) Just saying any LCD shoudl be fine unless their native resolution go out of the supported resolutions list

AthlonXP1800
10-16-04, 01:51 AM
BenQ FP757 17-Inch LCD monitor is look good for $299.99 but it excluded shipping and tax. It seem not ideal, I suggesting you to think of get 19 inch ACER AL1912B LCD monitor (http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/details.asp?PRDCODE=MTAC-AL1912B&REFID=PW) for $399.99 included shipping and tax. :)

YOGIx213
10-16-04, 02:17 AM
the specs are nice on that one.

I personally like the samsungs. This is the top dog 17" imo http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=24-001-146&ATT=Monitors+LCD+Flat+Pa&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

I wanted that one as well but settled for the Samsung 710N instead because it was going for 395.00. 12ms response time, 600:1 contrast ratio. Ahh, man now it's 20.00 cheaper... http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProductResult.asp?DEPA=0

$379.00 with free shipping is pretty good for this one.

AthlonXP1800
10-16-04, 03:07 AM
I wanted that one as well but settled for the Samsung 710N instead because it was going for 395.00. 12ms response time, 600:1 contrast ratio. Ahh, man now it's 20.00 cheaper... http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProductResult.asp?DEPA=0

$379.00 with free shipping is pretty good for this one.

The link seem broken, I fixed it (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=24-001-171&DEPA=0) for you. :D

YOGIx213
10-16-04, 04:17 AM
The link seem broken, I fixed it (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=24-001-171&DEPA=0) for you. :D

Thanks Athlon

arise
10-16-04, 08:54 AM
do not get fooled by the 16ms response...it's a question of what panel the LCD uses (AUO, LG-Philips, NEC etc...) and the type (IPS/SIPS, TN+Film, PVA/MVA).

best buy for gaming are still IPS/SIPS panels (25ms) like Iiyama E481S, NEC 1960NXi, LG1920B, Viewsonic VP191B/S, and so on...i listed 19" models cos they are the best price/performance ratio right now. Besides 1280x1024 looks better on a 19" than on 17".

zoth
10-16-04, 12:02 PM
I just got a Dell ultrasharp 2001FP,and I love it

20.1 inch viewable
17 ms
Its as sharp as a tack,and I haggled with the guy on the phone. He gave it to me for 550 with free shipping.

This is the best gameing screen I've ever owned,and the screen is huge.

sirplayalot
10-16-04, 02:41 PM
do not get fooled by the 16ms response...it's a question of what panel the LCD uses (AUO, LG-Philips, NEC etc...) and the type (IPS/SIPS, TN+Film, PVA/MVA).

best buy for gaming are still IPS/SIPS panels (25ms) like Iiyama E481S, NEC 1960NXi, LG1920B, Viewsonic VP191B/S, and so on...i listed 19" models cos they are the best price/performance ratio right now. Besides 1280x1024 looks better on a 19" than on 17".

Link to some good ones?

subbo
10-16-04, 03:00 PM
I installed the 172X for a friend and from a couple hours of testing games like UT2K4 and BFV it seemed fast, but kinda "cheating" since the deeper end of the spectrum is cutoff quite early, so you cant get black out of the thing. And of course its easier to be fast with light shades.

Also samsung has a 5 dead pixel system so you're almost quaranteed to have one or more dead pixels on their panels. That display had one bright red one almost at the center.

sgio2
10-16-04, 03:16 PM
I just got a Dell ultrasharp 2001FP,and I love it

20.1 inch viewable
17 ms
Its as sharp as a tack,and I haggled with the guy on the phone. He gave it to me for 550 with free shipping.

This is the best gameing screen I've ever owned,and the screen is huge.

QFT My 2001FP is one of the best gaming investments I have ever made!

AthlonXP1800
10-16-04, 09:34 PM
QFT My 2001FP is one of the best gaming investments I have ever made!

:lol: I think you made the worst investment in 2001FP, of course it has 16ms response time but unfortunately that 2001FP has probably the worst view angles (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?TabPage=techspecs&sku=320-1578&spagenum=&category_id=5194&brandid=&k=&c=us&l=en&cs=19&mnf=&prst=&prEnd=&mnfsku=&orderby=&searchtype=&pageb4search=&page=productlisting.aspx&instock=&refurbished=) I ever seen in any LCD monitor, the Horizonal and Vertical angles of 88 degrees is very auwful, I can imagine your mates sit next to you complainted that they cant watch the LCD from 170 degrees angle. You should get 20 inch LCD monitor with 16ms response time and 170 degrees of Horizonal and Vertical view angles.

noko
10-16-04, 11:47 PM
I bought this one at NewEgg:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-198-001&depa=1

Fantastic monitor for the price, look at the reviews there. Sharp, colors right on, no dead pixels, no ghosting and somewhat cheaper :). It makes my 19" CRT look uterly pathetic :(.

Chippy
10-17-04, 04:25 AM
:lol: I think you made the worst investment in 2001FP, of course it has 16ms response time but unfortunately that 2001FP has probably the worst view angles (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?TabPage=techspecs&sku=320-1578&spagenum=&category_id=5194&brandid=&k=&c=us&l=en&cs=19&mnf=&prst=&prEnd=&mnfsku=&orderby=&searchtype=&pageb4search=&page=productlisting.aspx&instock=&refurbished=) I ever seen in any LCD monitor, the Horizonal and Vertical angles of 88 degrees is very auwful, I can imagine your mates sit next to you complainted that they cant watch the LCD from 170 degrees angle. You should get 20 inch LCD monitor with 16ms response time and 170 degrees of Horizonal and Vertical view angles.

In common with several other 20" LCD's (e.g. Viewsonic), the 20" Dell is based on the Philips panel. As far as I can tell, the greatest (only?) strength of this panel is the fast response time. So if you want if for games only, then fair enough.

But other aspects of its performance are really crap, imho. The black levels are truly dreadful. 400:1 is pretty shabby, but even this is only achieved by cranking the brightness right up to get a decent ratio between bright and dark. At normal viewing brightnesses, the ratio is more like 200:1.

I have a philips LCD TV in the bedroom with a quoted 400:1 contrast ratio. For viewing of brightly lit source material, watched in broad daylight its fine. But at night time, watching darkly lit scenes, forget it. Its hilariously bad. The "black" is like *bright* grey.

So if you want to watch movies or edit photos or.... well do *anything* other than play games, then there are much better panels around than this.

Chip

zoth
10-17-04, 04:34 AM
Dunno, I love mine tho.
I know a bunch of guys on CGtalk use em and love em.A couple guys That work on Halo 2 that post alot on that forum constantly reccomend the Dell 2001 as there LCD of choice.

I'm sure there is some better LCD's,.but For the money (550 with 2 day shipping free) its quite a bargain for a 20 lcd with that low of a response time.

crainger
10-17-04, 04:37 AM
the specs are nice on that one.

I personally like the samsungs. This is the top dog 17" imo http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=24-001-146&ATT=Monitors+LCD+Flat+Pa&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

Yes the 172x is a really nice display. I wanna get another one, but they are quite rare in Australia right now. Two side by side would look really sweet though.

Chippy
10-17-04, 04:39 AM
I'm sure there is some better LCD's,.but For the money (550 with 2 day shipping free) its quite a bargain for a 20 lcd with that low of a response time.

It really depends what you want. Like I said, the Dell's 16ms response is its best feature. If that is more important to you than other aspects of its performance then you have made a wise choice.

Chip

Edit: sorry I missed this comment:
Yes the 172x is a really nice display. I wanna get another one, but they are quite rare in Australia right now. Two side by side would look really sweet though.

Personally I really like the Viewsonic Pro series 19" panel, the VP191. The specs are good (if not outstanding) - 600:1 contrast, 25ms response etc. But the picture quality is really fantastic. Great black levels and really good colour. I don't really notice any problems with ghosting/motion blurring either.

Also, Viewsonic has a zero dead pixel warranty with respect to permanently ON pixels - i.e. the most annoying type. That was another important factor for me. The idea of spending $$$$ on a new panel only to find a few bright red pixels permanently staring at you would be a nightmare.

Chip

zoth
10-17-04, 05:31 AM
Yeah that viewsonic is nice also.

Heres a good review on the dell 2001 if anyones interested.

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110425

subbo
10-17-04, 09:59 AM
According to the comprehensive comparisons in a few magazines I've read, a TFT still cant outperform a HIGH QUALITY CRT in all areas, but can in some like sharpness of the image, brightness, contrast and even dot pitch. You just cannot beat pixel per pixel DVI signaling with analog equipment.

But there still remains issues with areas of the color spectrum, response time and the even spread of the panel and dead pixels for some makers. For the most part the viewing angle is solved depending on the panel type, if though not entirely until OLED.

But like the guy above said a high-end TFT really makes the average 200$ 19" CRT look pathetic. You have to remember that for the past couple years 19" is the mainstream monitor and most people buy the budget ones.

The budget monitors from samsung, samtron, viewsonic, hitachi etc are littered with problems like moire, blurry edges, low hz (or high hz and blur), dot pitch and more.

If you compare a high-end TFT you need to compare it to a high-end CRT from sony like the 20" and 21" models.

When I got my TFT I was a strong supporter of the goold old CRT and for a couple months I regretted my purchase in various ways but soon after whenever I used a CRT I was almost puking due to the blur, even with high end tubes.

I think the most interesting area where the CRT reigns supreme is the TV sets. Where an old-school 50hz Sony or Panasonic CRT wipes the floor with mid range 100hz tubes until you reach the high-end again where the 100hz tube automatically switches to nonfiltered nondigital 50hz mode for DVD movies (this is for PAL of course).

But when you raise the size to 40"+ 5000+ the Plasma reigns supreme from Pioneer or Sony, simply cause A) you dont want a 2 meters deep 120kg CRT in your house and B) its not available.

Marcos
10-17-04, 11:56 AM
**** guys when i got my 172x it was alot more than 4 ****ing 50

kahloq
10-17-04, 01:08 PM
I want THIS for my PC monitor LOL!!!!!!!!


http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-333&depa=10